Help Please!

[Captfinnbad]

and the ring may be disconnected somewhere else as a loose connection in the toaster plug should not have taken out the other sockets - see the link i gave for a ring main its powered both ways
my daughters had this issue and they could not find where the ring was broken . i think it was just the earth - and suspected a junction under the floor after a lot of testing - so split to 2 mcbs
so that should also be tested

My knowledge is really limited.

1. Yeah I don't really understand how the toaster socket and all the sockets to the right of it went down at exactly the same time as the shock incident, if it was a ring.


So if it was a ring wouldn't there need to be two faults at the same time for this to happen?

For example....

Say A fault at the end socket (7) or slightly after that's been undetected for god knows how long.

AND a fault that occurred Friday night at the toaster socket (perhaps a loose wire , which remade connection when I took the cover plate off to look and re installed it).

If this were true. How would you go about detecting the undetected fault?

Also why wasn't the consumer unit tripped by the toaster socket incident or by the hypothesised fault around socket (7)

(I don't intend to try myself because it above abilities/ knowledge but I'm really curious to understand at this point. )


2. If there was a problem at the consumer wouldn't wouldn't it effect all the sockets on that ring (as in they all wouldn't work)?


3. Also I don't know for certain socket 7 is the end. Logically it would make sense for it to be.

But it's not out of the realms of possibility for some reason the wires doubles back, And finish on a different socket? Again very limited knowledge on my part.

 

[Captfinnbad]

I agree with H. It looks like a builder or amateur has done the work.
I would like to see every connection checked or re-terminated, earth sleeving and grommets fitted, and also the consumer unit should be checked for ALL secure connections too.

Yep. The kitchen was being renovated by a builder and he wired it.

Then an electrician friend if it came out and checked it.

About 5 years after the builder did the kitchen I moved away for a bit and in that time period I rented the house out.

Before renting out I paid an a proper election to look over the wiring in the house. He installed a new consumer unit after the checks and gave me some sort of safety certificate (can't remember exact details as it was a long time ago).

 

[ebee]

My advice is.
get an Electrician to check it out - give him all the info you have (what happened when as far as you can remember).
There are some problems as has been pointed out by others, there may be some more too.
It`s only safe to mess with Electrics if you know exactly what you are doing, so best left alone.
You learnt a lesson when you got that shock.
Good luck.

 

[securespark]

If you have the test certificate from long ago, show him that too.

 

[Captfinnbad]

This is back from 2017 where the house was looked at. It was deemed unsatisfactory, then a load of work was carried out to rectify all the faults.

Can't find any paperwork after the rectification was carried out but I'm sure I'll have it somewhere. Possibly a paper copy.

The rectification work that was carried out in 2017 was the last time the house electrics were touched

The sockets near the cooker weren't done. I'm assuming because c3.

This is what was carried out in 2017 to fix everything they found

Ive added the above images just to add detail/give information to how the house is wired

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

My advice is.
get an Electrician to check it out

My advice is - to make sure it is a genuine, properly qualified electrician. From what I've seen in those photos, none of the people who, the installation work, or did any later checking, was qualified to do the work. Even you guy who charged you in 2017, hasn't been very thorough.

 

[ebee]

Is item ten relevant as an observation on an EICR? Whether or not smoke detectors are present or not it is not a BS7671 issue.
If it is present and the wiring is defect then it is a BS7671 issue.

 

[Captfinnbad]

Is item ten relevant as an observation on an EICR? Whether or not smoke detectors are present or not it is not a BS7671 issue.
If it is present and the wiring is defect then it is a BS7671 issue.

* Edit. I Understand now

 

[Captfinnbad]

My advice is - to make sure it is a genuine, properly qualified electrician. From what I've seen in those photos, none of the people who, the installation work, or did any later checking, was qualified to do the work. Even you guy who charged you in 2017, hasn't been very thorough.

The builder did the kitchen. So I'm not super surprised there but the company that came out and did the checks in 2017 were.

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So legit and qualified as far as I'm aware


Just quickly wrote all this down to help me explain what happened to whoever comes out.

I'll also give him a printed copy of the EICR and what the guys did in 2017.

Anything else relevant or useful I could tell or give to whoever comes out to look at it ?


Any tips on finding someone decent. Also how much is this likely to cost me ?


Money is a little tight right now. I know it needs to be done. Just want to brace myself for what's to come.

 

[Captfinnbad]

On another note. Bathroom is right above the kitchen.

Bath had a leaky dripping tap connection about a month ago, it's fixed but bath panels are still off.

I noticed a load of cables running behind the bath is this a huge issue or an acceptable way to lay cables?

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

I noticed a load of cables running behind the bath is this a huge issue or an acceptable way to lay cables?

No problem with that, providing there are no joints, etc. in the area.

 

[SUNRAY]

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On another note. Bathroom is right above the kitchen.

Bath had a leaky dripping tap connection about a month ago, it's fixed but bath panels are still off.

I noticed a load of cables running behind the bath is this a huge issue or an acceptable way to lay cables?

Nice to see the copper pipe on the right is wrapped before being buried in the plaster.

 

[SUNRAY]

The builder did the kitchen. So I'm not super surprised there but the company that came out and did the checks in 2017 were.

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So legit and qualified as far as I'm aware


Just quickly wrote all this down to help me explain what happened to whoever comes out.



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I'll also give him a printed copy of the EICR and what the guys did in 2017.

Anything else relevant or useful I could tell or give to whoever comes out to look at it ?


Any tips on finding someone decent. Also how much is this likely to cost me ?


Money is a little tight right now. I know it needs to be done. Just want to brace myself for what's to come.

Personally I'd be delighted to find that much information on arrival

 

[JohnW2]

Is item ten relevant as an observation on an EICR? Whether or not smoke detectors are present or not it is not a BS7671 issue.

Indeed not - although, as you go on to say ....

If it is present and the wiring is defect then it is a BS7671 issue.

 

[Captfinnbad]

Okay so the electrician his just quickly came out.

Did some tests , confirmed there is a break in the loop somewhere. Is coming back to try find the break, if not he said he will convert it into two radial circuits.

God knows how long there has been a break in the loop. I'm guessing I could have had a break for years and not been detected?