How Do you Legislate?

[imamartian]

and keep wondong people up...

Yeah Joe, if you wond me up again, I'll spoll yeer nome ring
Sorry Immy, I know it was a finger fart on your part, but couldn't resist it.............. now goes to hide in the corner

Good job i'm not that carp on the sentence game otherwise i'd have been boot out ages ago

 

[Gasman28]

Good one

 

[straightshooter]

i can not believe the stigma people are attaching to people with mental illnesses, just because someone has a mental illness it does not mean they are an instant threat to society if they own a firearm. i have bipolar dissorder and i manage it very well i have been shooting way before diagnosis til the present day and the misuse of firearms has never ever crossed my mind i am way to passionate about the sport to even think about giving it a bad name for those of us who are serious about the discipline. further to the point shooting is a discipline which is something that some these antisocial kids who give the sport a bad rap need there your problem. now while i agree that some people are a threat to society, people with disabilities still have rights and if anything better screening tests should be the answer rather than outright discrimination against the mentally ill. i find the ignorance out there unbelievable sometimes.

 

[Biguns]

Firearms were invented and developed for only one reason, Killing!. I therefore see no reason whatsoever why these implements should be owned by an unpredictable general public. If people need to be in gun clubs to shoot at paper targets as an indication of how efficient they would be with a firearm, for whatever satisfaction they derive from that. then let them. But not with actual firearms proper. Their skills could be just as well honed by using a single shot air rifle, which you would need a licence for and it must be kept at the club. Or better still some device that is modelled on a firearm but shoots a laser beam at the target.
Implements with a sole purpose of stopping life should only be in the hands of the military and the police

 

[Monkeh]

Their skills could be just as well honed by using a single shot air rifle

Only at short, indoor ranges. An air rifle is extremely limited in range.

Or better still some device that is modelled on a firearm but shoots a laser beam at the target.

You completely miss the point. A laser beam is not (significantly..) affected by gravity or wind. It has no bullet, you can't control the rate of burn of the powder or how much you use, there's no mechanical trigger..

Shooting firearms is a far more complex matter than you appreciate.

 

[Biguns]

You are too presumtuous. I have served and honed my killing skills on many ranges with the Lee Enfield 303 and the Bren gun. and on indoor ranges with the 202 short.

If these gun clubs are intended to hone killing skills that is a matter for grave concern. If they are however only intended to see how proficient one is at putting a hole in a piece of paper an air rifle will suffice.

I still contend that instruments with a sole purpose for being, is to kill as efficiently as possible should not be available to the general public

 

[Monkeh]

If they are however only intended to see how proficient one is at putting a hole in a piece of paper an air rifle will suffice.

Once again, only at short, indoor ranges. I would like to see you consistently hit a target with an air rifle at 500 yards.

 

[Biguns]

I have struggled with this one, but I must now admit defeat. I can not think of any good reason why I would want to do that, with any firearm.

 

[Monkeh]

I have struggled with this one, but I must now admit defeat. I can not think of any good reason why I would want to do that, with any firearm.

This is because you have no interest in or knowledge of the sport and art of shooting.

 

[Brigadier]

Back to the OP....

As long as the general public want personal freedom, the Cumbrian shootings can't readily be legislated against, as some of the people will want to have access to, and practice with, guns. Also, legislation per se won't work, if for no other reason than your average crim doesn't give a shiny one about "the Law".
As has been previously posted, guns are "necessary" in the UK. So are people. And so long as there are guns, and people there to use them, there will occasionally be tragedies like Whitehaven.

 

[libby lou lou]

I don't shoot, can't afford nor live close enough,I'd love to.

I have an old criminal record, 1987, no violence, guns robbery, nothing like that, and i believe that i can apply and pass, and i think that's fine, i have anxiety/depp syndrome, SAD, But never wanted to kill someone.

There is no definete answer, every patch of DNA differs in people

 

[Biguns]

I have struggled with this one, but I must now admit defeat. I can not think of any good reason why I would want to do that, with any firearm.

This is because you have no interest in or knowledge of the sport and art of shooting.

Yes you are right. I have no desire or interest in being the most proficient with an instrument, that's sole purpose in being is termination of life.

Art! I think not.

 

[wreckedit]

Last week it was revealed under the freedom of information act that a 7 year old was granted a gun licence. I would have thought that as they were not old enough to be responsible for anything giving them a gun licence was a responsible thing for the police to do, or was it?

Would gun users who probably know about this one tell me why it's a good thing for a 7 year old to have the use of guns?

 

[Monkeh]

I have struggled with this one, but I must now admit defeat. I can not think of any good reason why I would want to do that, with any firearm.

This is because you have no interest in or knowledge of the sport and art of shooting.

Yes you are right. I have no desire or interest in being the most proficient with an instrument, that's sole purpose in being is termination of life.

Art! I think not.

But that's not the sole purpose. It may be the purpose they were originally designed for, but things change. Your ignorance of the subject fairly effectively invalidates your opinion.

And yes, art. I think you should check the definition of the word.

 

[Biguns]

What subject am I ignorant of? The subject of this thread is :- "How do we legislate to prevent further shootings" For which all I can express is an opinion. It is also sad that me having an opinion that does not concur with yours causes you to become offensive. If the subject knowlege you refer to is shooting, I have spent many hours on ranges and in the butts (scarey) on military facilities throughout the UK
All I am opining is firearms are nothing more and nothing less than lethal weapons, designed and developed to kill very violently and extremely efficiently and for that reason should not be available to an occaisionally unpredictable general public.