How many halogens per switch?

[securespark]

After all, I think 85w for a room the size of my kitchen is pretty good.

The wattage is irrelevant.

But a moment ago you were up in arms about 850W of lighting!

So, to you, the wattage is far from irrelevant.

 

[eveares]

I have to agree with RF Lighting.

The 5w TCP LED's GU10's seem to be equal if not a tiny bit brighter than my old halogen 50w GU10's.

Arogorn84; I also don't have any harsh hot spots in my kitchen, so maybe you had poorly designed LED downlights? I am sure RF lighting can confirm, there are a lot of Chinese knock offs what are not up to par and give a poor lighting quality.

The wattage is irrelevant

Surely you want a high as lumen per watt ratio as possible, and thus I think 85w for a room 8.6m long x 3.9m wide is not that shabby.

If you had to light a room the size of my kitchen BAS with a island at one end, how would you do it? If you have a problem with "several", then I would fear to see how you would light up a large posh restaurant for example.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

How old fashioned. We've evolved to realise that lots of small lights gives a more even spread of light than one big light in the middle of the room. It makes perfect sense.

No - as in so many other areas we have dumbed down our critical faculties and can no longer appreciate how wrong it is to try and light rooms using lights which are designed to not light rooms.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I've designed hundreds of downlighter installations, and not one of them exhibits the issues you mention.

But I'll bet that every single one exhibits the inelegant issue of having to use lots of them to bodge a way around the fundamental unsuitability of small recessed torches for lighting up rooms.

I'll offer you the same opportunity as I have done to bas many times, to come and see a couple of properly designed installations and see just how well they light the room.

They cannot possibly light the room well if you need to use an inelegant number of them to bodge a way around the fundamental unsuitability of small recessed torches for lighting up rooms.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

But a moment ago you were up in arms about 850W of lighting!

No I wasn't - I said nothing about the wattage.

17.

In one room.

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Utter madness.

So, to you, the wattage is far from irrelevant.

No, it is irrelevant.

It's .. everything to do with the fact that it's the "several" which is the problem.

 

[DumbBlonde5]

We had to have the house rewired, all except for the kitchen as that is an extension and electrician said it would mess up new kitchen so rewire when we change units later. He did also say about good quality bulbs and put decent ones in at the time. They still went quickly. We are buying phillips. The kitchen is very dark as it's the old kitchen pulled out further to make a kitchen diner but the one window does not let light in far enough. The lights are on most of the day so LEDs should save us a fortune. At our last house we had 4 halogens in kitchen and the bulbs lasted 6 years and were still going so this is very annoying!

In the future we hope to put a window in the side to help with light but there is so much to work on elsewhere first. This previous people have used cowboys for everything sadly!

The electrician said he could wire in 9 LEDs for about £200. Does this sound right please?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Surely you want a high as lumen per watt ratio as possible,

Whatever luminous efficiency you go for, you must go for it in a format which is designed to light up rooms. Not one which is designed to not do it. Please note, I'm not saying "not designed to do it", I'm saying "designed to not do it".

If you had to light a room the size of my kitchen BAS with a island at one end, how would you do it?

With lights designed to light up rooms, not lights designed to not light them.

If you have a problem with "several", then I would fear to see how you would light up a large posh restaurant for example.

I would light it with lights designed to light up rooms, not with ones designed to not light them up. Of course more than one would be needed - you need more than one.

But what is offensive and unacceptable is using more than you would need if you used lights designed for the job of lighting up rooms.

 

[RF Lighting]

Look at this factory installation and how well and evenly lit it is.

Scale everything down in size and it resembles a lighting installation popular with many homeowners....


I wonder why they didn't opt for a single 6000W bulb hanging in the middle of the room, or a 60' twin pop pack?

 

[eveares]

With lights designed to light up rooms

And what exact type and fitment would you use!!! (i.e. BC Pendant, twin 8ft fluorescent, etc...)

I bet if you had to adequately light up the room the size of my kitchen, I bet you would not be able to get the total wattage a lot less than 85w for the same level and distribution of lighting.

Also, what application do would use down lights BAS? Do you see any point of down lights at all?

 

[securespark]

I wonder why they didn't opt for a...60' twin pop pack?

Is that the Foot or Foot ½ diameter tube?

 

[eveares]

Foot or Foot ½ diameter tube

Fluresnt tube a foot (12 inches) in diamter

 

[RF Lighting]

I wonder why they didn't opt for a...60' twin pop pack?

Is that the Foot or Foot ½ diameter tube?

It's a T144 tube

 

[Adam_151]

now that would be a bit of a b****r to re-lamp stood on the top of your steps fighting with the brittle plastic bits on the end of the fitting that want to break up into pieces!

 

[eveares]

Seems like BAS has given up his argument, hooray!

 

[ban-all-sheds]

And what exact type and fitment would you use!!! (i.e. BC Pendant, twin 8ft fluorescent, etc...)

I thought about, and then decided not to, challenge you when you derisively suggested candles as an alternative in an earlier post.

I am not going to try and discuss lighting alternatives with someone who is so stupid and ignorant that the only alternatives to recessed torches that they can imagine are BC pendants or twin 8' fluorescent tubes.

I bet if you had to adequately light up the room the size of my kitchen, I bet you would not be able to get the total wattage a lot less than 85w for the same level and distribution of lighting.

More stupidity. Are you being deliberately obtuse, or do you have genuine difficulties with reading and comprehension? How many times would I have to say that the wattage is irrelevant before it sinks in?

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Also, what application do would use down lights BAS?

Film projectors.

The spot lighting or highlighting of individual display items or architectural features.

External lighting where I wanted a small pool of light for a functional purpose and wanted to avoid light spread and minimise light pollution.

Do you see any point of down lights at all?

Some.

But massed ranks being forced into use for general room illumination is not one of them.