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How much for this electrical work is reasonable?

Back in the day I would have estimated the time and materials for every job and once completed I would work out the cost and compared it to my day rate.
If customer wanted some special item or something unplanned came up then I would feel justified charging my time for that.
For "run of the mill stuff" planned jobs, rewires, extra sockets etc I would not feel justified .
I would turn up on the job with all that I needed and a bit extra.

After all that I would compare the two prices and if they came within a plus or minus 5% band then I would consider I had estimate accurately.

With complete rewires or additions to existing that is usually easy to determine if I have done the first fix myself (includes all chasing, wiring, plastering, etc myself) I know then that final fix of sockets, switches, pendants etc should go smoothly and whilst I`m going thru that final fix I would allow 15 mins per item to final fix per working hour and this time would almost always be a realistic target to achieve or better including all tea breaks, toilet breaks, customer discussion, clearing out metal boxes of plaster etc, stripping, sleeving, doubling conductors, connecting, fixing, levelling etc to finished position.
That is easily achievable and often bettered.

If I am dealing with existing wiring then all bets are off, quite often you`d come across problems with existing wiring, the most common one is conductors too short and especially in awkward locations for a start.
I was always more than happy to converse with customers and let them see what I was doing so long as they did not become a hindrance or start to try to tell me how to do the job.
Often they are just interested in how it`s done and sometimes learn something.

It often amused me to see on "building sites" you`d notice that all cables were cut miles too long during first fix but, conversely, when actually making the final connections they were often cut and stripped far to short to be reasonably managed, particularly on kitchen sockets over a base unit and also under a wall unit.
The other "gem" would be the cable that was previously left to dangle almost to the floor for the pendant wiring was now cut so close to the ceiling that you could only connect whilst craning your neck by putting your whole face horizontal with the ceiling whilst up a step ladder - I1d always leave a few inches dangle to aid my body vertical position whilst connecting then carefully push that last bit of conductors up above the ceiling.
Other peoples first fix ideas could sometimes be a nightmare and if the subsequent wiring is a proverbial rats nest then hey ho double ditto.

Personally I would leave the prepared conductors long enough to turn them down comfortably by 90 degrees, therefore horizontal and facing you and provision of that little extra to remake that last bit of the connection in case of a future break off in future inspections/additions, conductors then neatly folded into safe positions away from screws etc and a final waggle and final tightening check prior fitting back.
Sheathing not stripped off far enough inside the back box is another hidden gem - always leave sufficient inside the back box but not far too much.
PS - I hate plaster depth boxes (16mm) even for one gang one way switches, 25mm is always the minimum for a nice neat job.
 
If so, your rates are very cheap!
Maybe he just believes that 50k a year is a reasonable amount to earn
I bet that when a tradesperson is working for a fixed price for a hob, they crack on and it’s done in half the time
it will still have been costed as a 6 hour job though; going home early might be a perk (depends what's at home/what's on the job) but ultimately I've felt that day rate/fixed price is merely someone deciding who pays for the can of worms. If you're confident there will be no can of worms, day rate might be better

About 6 years ago I had 60sqm of conservatory tiled, liquid screed floor alll prepped, my tiles and adhesive, he was literally just cutting and putting. I asked for it to be a fixed price because I'd not used him before, he quoted £20 a metre which at the time was reasonable, and it was done in 2 days. I got him on his 250 day rate after that..
 
hang on a minute 50K a year to earn? how do you get that? I would like some, I really would.
Tell me how many of any trades earn anywhere near that amount - yes I do know that rates vary around the UK and rates vary with different trades too and in differing industries, plumbing/heating engineers and electricians used to be on a parr quite a few years back then the plumbing heating bods leapt forwards with corgi requirements becoming law, electricians did not leap forward that much with part p, we missed our chance.

When sitting exams for registration then both opposing sides think that their own is the more difficult.

Ask those who have both disciplines and they will all tell you that the wiring regs exams are the most difficult of the two to pass, of course potentially the disaster size with gas is bigger though.
 
Back in the day I would have estimated the time and materials for every job and once completed I would work out the cost and compared it to my day rate.
For an electrical manufacturer factory I was working in, the directors/managers applied a pre determined rate for all the indirect jobs such as the heating, light, machine hours because it was so hard to track the expenses for each product that was being assembled.
 
hang on a minute 50K a year to earn? how do you get that? I would like some, I really would.
Tell me how many of any trades earn anywhere near that amount - yes I do know that rates vary around the UK and rates vary with different trades too and in differing industries, plumbing/heating engineers and electricians used to be on a parr quite a few years back then the plumbing heating bods leapt forwards with corgi requirements becoming law, electricians did not leap forward that much with part p, we missed our chance.

When sitting exams for registration then both opposing sides think that their own is the more difficult.

Ask those who have both disciplines and they will all tell you that the wiring regs exams are the most difficult of the two to pass, of course potentially the disaster size with gas is bigger though.
Here in London you'd struggle to get an electrician (or plumber, roofer, plasterer, etc.) through your door for less than £120 initial fee.
Got to change a socket because you pulled the cable instead of the plug and cracked it?
£120 + cost of socket.
There are handymen who do these little jobs for a lot cheaper, but some people don't trust them (and most times they're right).
Not long ago a former customer called a roofer for a leak on his downpipe.
Downpipe reconnected, screw to hold it and paving brick applied under bottom shoe = £800.
When he told me I almost fainted.
 
The point I was making was how is the earning of 50K a year calculated?
 
The point I was making was how is the earning of 50K a year calculated?
For what it's worth, I can offer a guess ...

Pete seemed to imply that his charge for labour is £250 per day. If he did 200 days per year of chargeable time (say, on average, 5 days per week for 40 weeks). that would be £50k per year.

However, it's obviously naive to assume that "£50k billed for labour" equates to "50k minus Income Tax" into ones pocket since, in most cases, that 'labour charge' will; actually include all overheads of the business - everything from buying, maintaining and fuelling a van to acquisition/maintenance/calibration of test equipment and tools, 'training', books, insurance, maybe 'scheme membership' etc. etc.
 
Don't take me as any sort of standard, I dont work every day just when I want to and it's more pocket money than desperately needing the money.
 
However, it's obviously naive to assume that "£50k billed for labour" equates to "50k minus Income Tax" into ones pocket since, in most cases, that 'labour charge' will; actually include all overheads of the business - everything from buying, maintaining and fuelling a van to acquisition/maintenance/calibration of test equipment and tools, 'training', books, insurance, maybe 'scheme membership' etc. etc.
Far deeper than that I think John.
If I am employed by Anytown Electrics Ltd and the pay me £50K per year then fair enough, realistically I will pay tax etc but that is what they pay me.
The firm charge will that that plus a host of other overheads and some for probably profits etc.

If I am self employed then I might charge the customers £50K that is my charging rate, then I deduct overheads etc and that is "effectively" what I have earned, it will be far less than what I have charged.
I might buy materials and only charge them at cost or the customer might buy their own, I charge for labour and I might add 10 or 20 or 50 percent mark up on goods.
The bit I pay HMRC etc is based on what I have earned - if you are elf employed it is called "Drawings" not "Earnings" but it is similar.
My charging rate is not my earning rate, it never is in any business.
 

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