Installing Japanese toilet seat

[johnny2007]

It sounds as if you may have missed the fact that this discussion has been about a "Japanese toilet seat", (almost a bidet, but for a somewhat different purpose) and, as for .....

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In view of my comments above, I don't think it's a matter of "knowing this" but, as I've said, I do think the 'risk' is not far from zero. The probability of backflow into the supply network occurring is very low, as is the probability of any contamination getting into the water at the bidet/seat, and also as is the probability of the individual concerned having pathogenic organisms to excrete. Multiply those three very small probabilities together and you get an extremely small overall 'risk '

Sorry, someone mentioned bidet and I thought of the classic bidet separate from the toilet.
Of course, that Japanese seat which would get in direct contact with human waste is a potential hazard.

 

[JohnW2]

Or until some hostile actor hacks the control systems for the water & waste network?

If that happens, we will probably have more important things than backflow from bidets and toilet seats to worry about!

 

[JohnW2]

Sorry, someone mentioned bidet and I thought of the classic bidet separate from the toilet.

Yes, I think many of us have been talking about bidets, hence confusing the situation. However the two are conceptually very similar (in the respect we are considering, and I think that the same, or very similar (and 'very cautious') regulations probably apply to both.

Of course, that Japanese seat which would get in direct contact with human waste is a potential hazard.

Yes, a "potential" hazard, as is an actual bidet. Very little in life is impossible or 100% 'safe' - but, as has been discussed, I think that 'potential' hazard represents an incredibly small risk.

I presume that by far the most common situation in which supply pressure to become so low that backflow would be possible (even if what was 'backflowing' was contaminated - which in the vast majority of cases it wouldn't be) would be that of a burst underground water main in the vicinity. In that situation, water in the network would already have been exposed to contamination from the surrounding earth (aka "wildlifetoilet")

 

[Mottie]

I had a Japanese friend who had a Japanese toilet installed. He was well pleased. He was a happy crappy Jappy chappie.

 

[morqthana]

"Japanese toilet seat", (almost a bidet, but for a somewhat different purpose)

So not for washing your feet, then?

 

[morqthana]

Yes, I think many of us have been talking about bidets, hence confusing the situation.

Messrs Google & Bing report that the toilet seat apparatus, whether added later or at time of manufacture, is called a bidet. Any chance of getting a separate term to differentiate it from the dedicated piece of porcelain widely found in mainland Europe has floated away like a...

 

[morqthana]

Bidets are used for further cleaning, not instead of toilet paper.

No.

 

[johnny2007]

No.

I come from Italy where ALL bathrooms have bidets.
I know how they're used and surely they're not used as secondary toilets or without first wiping.
Unless some people are savages.

 

[JohnW2]

So not for washing your feet, then?

I believe (in fact know!) that such has been known to happen!

 

[JohnW2]

Messrs Google & Bing report that the toilet seat apparatus, whether added later or at time of manufacture, is called a bidet. Any chance of getting a separate term to differentiate it from the dedicated piece of porcelain widely found in mainland Europe has floated away like a...

Interesting. I didn't know that.

 

[morqthana]

I come from Italy where ALL bathrooms have bidets.
I know how they're used and surely they're not used as secondary toilets or without first wiping.
Unless some people are savages.

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[JohnW2]

I come from Italy where ALL bathrooms have bidets. I know how they're used and surely they're not used as secondary toilets or without first wiping.

I'm sure you're right - if both items are present. However, if there is just a "Japanese toilet", and no separate 'bidet' (is that perhaps sometimes the case in Japan?) then things are rather different.

Unless some people are savages.

I suspect that comment might offend some people. Don't forget that there are some major cultures, including some pretty 'civilised', 'developed' and sophisticated ones, where the concept of toilet paper doesn't really exist - and I'm not at all sure that it is appropriate to refer to members of those cultures as "savages" !!

 

[EFLImpudence]

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[johnny2007]

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The dirty bastards!

I'm sure you're right - if both items are present. However, if there is just a "Japanese toilet", and no separate 'bidet' (is that perhaps sometimes the case in Japan?) then things are rather different.

Already said, no need to repeat the obvious.

I suspect that comment might offend some people. Don't forget that there are some major cultures, including some pretty 'civilised', 'developed' and sophisticated ones, where the concept of toilet paper doesn't really exist - and I'm not at all sure that it is appropriate to refer to members of those cultures as "savages" !!

Let me spell it out for you then: any "culture" not using toilet paper are savages.
You clearly haven't been far from home.
I've been in many many countries and never been in any "civilized" place where they had no toilet paper.
In fact, the only place where I didn't find toilet paper was when we camped in the sahara desert, but I'd brought my own from the hotel in Libia.
Are you sure you're not confused with the Stallone movie "judge dredd"?
The 3 shells ring a bell?

 

[JohnW2]

Let me spell it out for you then: any "culture" not using toilet paper are savages.

I suppose that depends upon what you regard as a "savage".

You clearly haven't been far from home.

There you are very wrong.

I've been in many many countries and never been in any "civilized" place where they had no toilet paper.

Again, I suppose that depends upon what you regard as "civilised".

...but have you never been to Asia or the Middle East (or, at least, away from the big cities and 'western' hotels in such places)? At least in my experience, once one is away from those 'Westernised' bits, one is far more likely to find a tap (and, if one is lucky, some sort of basin below it) than toilet paper (which is why many Westerners carry toilet paper, or at least tissues, with them when they travel in such places!).

To quote from the first thing I found when I asked Mr Google ...

Cultural Differences in Toilet Paper Usage​

Cultural differences also play a role in the usage of toilet paper in different countries. In Europe, the usage of toilet paper is common and widely accepted. In Asia, bidets are a popular alternative to toilet paper. In the Middle East, water is used for personal hygiene after using the toilet. In Africa, the usage of toilet paper is not as common and many people resort to alternatives such as wiping with water or cloths.

... but back to the definitions, I suppose that some people would say that much of Asia and the Middle East is "unciivilised" and largely populated by "savages" (and quite probably similar in much of Africa, although I know much less about that) ?