J D Vance. Munich speech.

[Notch7]

I see you refrain from pointing fingers at Germany in any of this mess

Putin is the cause of the mess in Ukraine, nobody else

Putin is responsible for 12 million displaced Ukrainians and around 1 million dead combatants from both sides

but lets blame Germany huh

 

[Notch7]

Explain why Blackrock and JP Morgan are in Ukraine.

Who benefits?

that doesnt prove your argument

The govt has basically mortgaged the family silver, to raise capital to buy weapons to prosecute the war.

had there been no war, that wouldnt have happened

 

[Deleted member 265726]

Between us and Russia, Ukraine has lost everything because although it says 'sovereign nation' on paper, it means little in reality. Russia have gained and so have us and the US. The elites have won out. The little people have to pay for it all.

 

[Brigadier]

There is blame on both sides.
The EUs refusal to recognise that Russia had legitimate security concerns about Ukraine contributed to the present situation.

Russia's only "security concerns" are the risk of their people seeing another prosperous and democratic neighbour, and wanting some of that for themselves.

It's why authoritarian states have depts such as the Stasi, KGB/FSB, Iranian Intelligence Services, those of China, NK, ............................................

 

[blup]

How did you imagine this war ending?

With pootin dying or being kicked out after 10 years of stalemate

I thought it was a given before Trump even came into power.

Never was, you're reading too much re form propaganda

I see you refrain from pointing fingers at Germany in any of this mess, is that because you are EU centric or another reason?

Are brexxers still blaming Germany for everything?

 

[Deleted member 265726]

With pootin dying or being kicked out after 10 years of stalemate

Never was, you're reading too much re form propaganda

Are brexxers still blaming Germany for everything?

You are living in la la land Blup. Also, very much a war mongerer. A 10 year war? FFS.

Sure. Germany are innocent in all of this. It has absolutely nothing to do with NordStream *

I voted to remain. Brexit has sweet FA to do with it.

*I am being facetious, for those who might be confused.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

Everything I say is true, and you can't handle that.

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[ReganAndCarter]

Surely that's the worst of all worlds?

No, that's Starmer & Co.

Trump is already enacting some of his manifesto promises. Starmer has done little except alienate people who voted him only very recently, hammer businesses and employees, and got the Bank Of England to halve it's growth forecast for UK.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The TV certainly has cast him as a hero. It is the everyday Ukranians I feel sorry for.

Yes, and I blame Russia for their suffering

 

[Deleted member 265726]

Who here, believes Russia should have been allowed to supply natural gas via NordStream direct to Germany?

Can we have some honesty on this forum.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Who here, believes Russia should have been allowed to supply natural gas via NordStream direct to Germany?

Can we have some honesty on this forum.

Irrelevant to the discussion.

Gas into Germany or not, was not the reason pootin invaded ukraine

 

[denso13]

Who here, believes Russia should have been allowed to supply natural gas via NordStream direct to Germany?

Why shouldn't they?

 

[Deleted member 265726]

The denial is unbelievable.

 

[blup]

You are living in la la land Blup. Also, very much a war mongerer. A 10 year war? FFS.

Pootin is the war monger, and can stop any time he wants. Ten tears is probably an under estimate

Sure. Germany are innocent in all of this. It has absolutely nothing to do with NordStream *

Pootin wasn't forced into invading a sovereign country because of a generous gas deal. He is presented as a cornered dog one moment, and as a shrewd opportunist the next. Stop blaming Germany and Europe for Pootin's aggression.

I voted to remain. Brexit has sweet FA to do with it.

I literally don't know anyone else who voted remain and is now an apologist for trumpf and pootin

 

[Deleted member 265726]

Pootin is the war monger, and can stop any time he wants. Ten tears is probably an under estimate

Pootin wasn't forced into invading a sovereign country because of a generous gas deal. He is presented as a cornered dog one moment, and as a shrewd opportunist the next. Stop blaming Germany and Europe for Pootin's aggression.

I literally don't know anyone else who voted remain and is now an apologist for trumpf and pootin

Disingenuous.