I am sure Andy will agree that the cutting of public spending, and public services, including Mrs May cutting 21,000 police officers, did absolutely nothing to encourage growth in crime, and is not a reason why police often don't have time to turn up, or even answer the phone.
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I can just imagine it now: The government will agree and announce in the House of Commons that from now on, anybody caught carrying a knife is public will get 10 years in prison.
The gang members and drug dealer all over the country will discuss these changes and all agree that crime no longer pays, so from now on will go back to dissing rival gang members, rather than stabbing them.
It really is that simple, isn't it?
As well as the problems already mentioned, there is also a huge and growing drug problem. We can only resolve this by putting gangs out of business, and the only way to do that is to legalise some class B and C drugs.
It won't completely solve the problem but it will massively reduce the revenue gangs can earn, and the ease at which they can manufacture and ship their own drugs. Let people buy cannabis in pharmacies, tax it, give advice leaflets etc. People that want it will smoke it anyway. Even some American states think this is the right approach.
The gang members and drug dealer all over the country will discuss these changes and all agree that crime no longer pays, so from now on will go back to dissing rival gang members, rather than stabbing them.
It really is that simple, isn't it?
As well as the problems already mentioned, there is also a huge and growing drug problem. We can only resolve this by putting gangs out of business, and the only way to do that is to legalise some class B and C drugs.
It won't completely solve the problem but it will massively reduce the revenue gangs can earn, and the ease at which they can manufacture and ship their own drugs. Let people buy cannabis in pharmacies, tax it, give advice leaflets etc. People that want it will smoke it anyway. Even some American states think this is the right approach.
Thats been solved, drug dealers now operate in prisons....
"I thereby sentence you to 5 years of smoking spice"
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So, giving in to criminals and actually rewarding their behaviour is the way forward is it? Where is your morality? What other crimes will be legalised after these?
Civilisation and peace were brought about by curbing bad behaviour.
Civilisation and peace were brought about by curbing bad behaviour.
What a strange suggestion you make.
My wife is a typist for several consultants and she regularly types words to the effect of; "Now that xxxxxx is out of prison, he/she is going to try to come off of drugs". I’m not making that up.
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Society changes. It used to be illegal to be gay, people were executed for not being Christian, and America had prohibition, which was a disaster.... Gangs took over and crime increased. Just like we have now. Sometimes the law doesn't work to protect people, sometimes they they it wrong.
I am struggling to grasp what it is you dont understand.
Its really quite simple:
Increasing prison sentences does not reduce crime.
That is fact
America tried the Andy11 method: the number of prisoners increased from 200,000 to 2 million. Reduction in crime: 0
Perhaps you could explain your solution to reducing crime in the UK?
Utter cobblers! What is a FACT is that while they are inside, they cant possibly be committing crimes. Indisputable so I don’t know why you try.
Plenty of examples here for you to ignore and pretend they didn’t happen but there’s many a family without a son/father/mother/daughter because of prisoners released early.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rderers-given-life-jail-freed-kill-again.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uk...st-18-days-after-being-freed-from-prison.html
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do you really think the criminal gangs will give up their life of crime if you legalise cannabis ? They will just turn their hand to some other crime, what would you suggest then? legalise that too. We need to put the gangs out of business by putting them in prison and keeping them there for a very long time, and then if we must release them, deport them.
Please read the whole of my post rather taking a snippet.
Of course a person whilst in prison cant be committing a crime in public.
However, whilst that person is in prison another person can be committing crime.
Knife crime is a perfect example - the stabbings are all being done by different people, not the same offenders being released early.
Please dont conflate keeping people in jail as protection for the public, with length if sentences as a deterrent.....they are not the same thing.
You, like others have fallen into trap of arguing, that because I am pointing out that tougher sentencing doesnt reduce crime, I am therefore wanting to be soft on crime.
Why can we all not have a more intelligent, nuanced discussion rather than this binary, dishonest debating -all it does is appeal to the emotions and not lead to the real solutions.
Ask yourself this:
Would you rather increase sentences because you want to punish people
or would you like to see the numbers of victims of crime reduced.
That is the exact opposite of a fact.
You need your head testing.
You should change your forum name to Captain Obvious.
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