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Discussion in 'Electrics UK' started by Nero, 11 Aug 2020.

  1. Nero

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    Hi. Just had one of these done and the electrician has failed it and says the property needs a new consmuer unit.
    The consumer unit in there is about 10 years old and has RCDs. I think he's just looking for work or is he right?
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  3. AndyPRK

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    Not really.

    The regulations are very unclear as to whether the installation must meet the current standards or just be safe.

    There are a few threads on here about it
     
  4. Nero

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    Yeah my understanding is that if it was fitted to 15th or 16th edition at the time it was installed then it was fine but IF it was replaced then would have to comply with 18th
     
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    You forgot the 17th, but yes I would say you are correct.

    What did the report say about your CU?
     
  6. Nero

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    Says that it needs changing because its not 18th Edition. I questioned it and he said if I'd had another certificate dated in last 5 years it would be fine. I said I didn't have a certificate but there should be a date on CU saying when it was installed infected etc..not heRd back yet but think he's going to say that doesnt count
     
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    Just says not 18th Edition so need channhing unless I have a cert from last 5 years. I said there should be a date on the CU saying when installed inpected etc. Waiting to hear back
     
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    Yes, but there must/should be something on the certificate stating which regulation it contravenes.

    We all know what "not 18th Edition" means but it is just slang and not a technical term.
    The last five years or otherwise has nothing to do with it.

    Do I take it from your latest post that you have not received the certificate yet and this is just verbal?
     
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  9. Nero

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    Yes wants to charge to replace consumer unit and a few other minor things before he issues certificate
     
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    He cannot do that.

    He has been employed (I presume) to inspect the installation and issue a report.

    I realise you might be in a hurry but he is taking the p*ss.
     
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    This is the Government guidance.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...safety-standards-in-the-private-rented-sector

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    It clearly states that C3 codes (improvement (to 18th) recommended) are allowed.
    This, by definition, must mean that not everything has to be to the latest 18th Edition Regulations for the installation to be satisfactory.


    So, until you have the report you cannot tell what has been decided and whether it is right or wrong.
     
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    Rcds fail on X1 and X5 also apparently
     
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    My sympathies...

    I've just had one done on a property that the majority of the wiring was completed in 1979 (14th edition). Apart from correcting an addition that a tenant did to the ring main in the 1980's the biggest problem was the wiring that the DNO did when they changed the meter and missed the connections via the protective isolator to the night rate consumer unit.

    From what I see on the NRLA forum there is an awful lot of misunderstanding about what is safe, questionable or needs rectifying - particularly around consumer units; some electrical technicians fail all non-metal consumer units whilst others will pass non-metal ones that are otherwise wired to modern standards.

    I think you have to agree to with what the man you selected to do the EIC says or get second opinion and pay twice - but I don't know how you stand legally in that circumstance.
     
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    If true, then they can be replaced - but how do you know without the results?

    And - has he tested them properly.


    Next time you have a report done, emphasise that the inspector will not be given any of the remedial work required.
     
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    I would say most of us are guided by the electrical safety council best practice guide 4 issue 5, which makes it clear that an old wyles fuss box with a TN supply does not attract a C2.

    Electricity in the home is protential dangerous, so rather a silly code, what we look for in general is two things must go wrong to get a shock. The class II is the exception, only one thing has to go wrong with class II as it is considered as double insulated.

    But if some thing is protentialy safe, it is protentialy safe and it does not matter when installed, there was a code 4 which was does not comply with current edition, however this was removed, wrongly in my view as the owner needs to know what up grades will be required before he can have additions.

    C3 can however list all not given a C2 or C1 so it all can be still listed. There does seem to be a problem working out what is the remit of some one doing an EICR to me it does not include any appliance, that is a seprate inspection, so missing cutout on immersion may be dangerous but not part of the EICR same with too many items plugged into a scoket.

    However many places I have worked the PATesting was only done on items plugged in, and the guy doing the EICR did items like hand dries, this made it easier jobs being split by equipment needed to test rather than if technically EICR or inspection and testing of in service electrical equipment (PAT testing).

    The same applies for fire inspection, emergency door access, lights over emergency door, smoke alarms, and the rest, often done by the electrician but not his normal job.

    So until the law required an EICR the electrician often included items which were really beyond his remit. Can't really blaim him for doing what he has always done.
     
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