So what about the people who receive disability benefits but don't get a car. Perhaps we could support UK textile manufacturers by getting them to make a special uniform for these people.
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So what about the people who receive disability benefits but don't get a car. Perhaps we could support UK textile manufacturers by getting them to make a special uniform for these people.
Churlish, but funny all the same.
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If you're going to launch a thread , you should make sure it's got the facts right.
Your doesn't.
You don't seem to have a clue, as much as you have a prejudice.
You've conflated Blue Badges with Motability.
Wrong. Junk.
etc etc etc etc.
I'm not defending the scheme, but there's no need to lie about it to try to make a point. That's what you're doing.
If it's being misused, you can't blame the disabled.
Got any proof? If you have, you should have shown it
If you haven't, then STFU.
Invacars are not available. Something like a Yaris or loaned for 3 years is probably the cheapest that can be done for the numbers involved.
"Approved used" would probably be cheaper, true, maybe they should move to that, There may be some reason why not.
One can Lease a small car (£120/month) including insu and maint, for less than the benefit amount (£280). Motability is organised which presumably makes it a bit more efficient so people can get better cars. Like big enough to get the whole family in, or a wheelchair folded in the boot. Can't do that in a Clio. On the basic tier you can get one 7 seater.
The idea of the scheme was to get disabled people of all ages back into society, working, being productive etc. I'm not making a case but that seems to have some merit
Personal view there, is that you should go "deal with" yourself.
Perhaps you want a society like many, where the disabled have to be hidden away because the rest of the population doesn't like to see they exist. If so, go to Russia, China, Arabia etc.
If you're going to launch a thread , you should make sure it's got the facts right.
Your doesn't.
You don't seem to have a clue, as much as you have a prejudice.
You've conflated Blue Badges with Motability.
Wrong. Junk.
etc etc etc etc.
I'm not defending the scheme, but there's no need to lie about it to try to make a point. That's what you're doing.
If it's being misused, you can't blame the disabled.
Got any proof? If you have, you should have shown it
If you haven't, then STFU.
Invacars are not available. Something like a Yaris or loaned for 3 years is probably the cheapest that can be done for the numbers involved.
"Approved used" would probably be cheaper, true, maybe they should move to that, There may be some reason why not.
One can Lease a small car (£120/month) including insu and maint, for less than the benefit amount (£280). Motability is organised which presumably makes it a bit more efficient so people can get better cars. Like big enough to get the whole family in, or a wheelchair folded in the boot. Can't do that in a Clio. On the basic tier you can get one 7 seater.
The idea of the scheme was to get disabled people of all ages back into society, working, being productive etc. I'm not making a case but that seems to have some merit
So If someone gets free Insulin, you want them to suffer stigma for that?
Personal view there, is that you should go "deal with" yourself.
Perhaps you want a society like many, where the disabled have to be hidden away because the rest of the population doesn't like to see they exist. If so, go to Russia, China, Arabia etc.
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Yes, that's what I explained.
You do get the money instead, (called something different (was Disability benefit) and I'm not sure exactly what).
That could pay for a leased cheapie, but DIY means there's more profit for the lease company, I expect.
A friend of mine had a heart condition which left him looking like a perfectly healthy 25 year old, but walking from one end of the high street to the other would leave him unconscious 2/3 of the way along.
His disability was real, and covers exactly the situation you describe. You can't see pain from the outside.
Also, I wouldn't have be surprised if people who didnt have a badge were just using the blue badge spots because they're arseholes. It happens a lot around here as the supermarket ones aren't legally enforceable.
Exactly my point, a car which stands out because it is not the standard Motability model is more likely to be challenged by staff or customers alike, embarassing the r-sole into not repeating their transgression, and thus leaving the disabled bays for those who need them (r-soles obviously now parking in the 'mother and child' spaces instead).
So no one with a blue badge is allowed to use any vehicle other than your disability chariot? Even if they don't qualify for one?
Which now also has to cover a huge range of shapes to accommodate all the different adaptations needed.
We are well aware of the rules, but the rules are generally ignored, which is why there is need for enforcement, except the enforcement is totally inadequate. My partner had a BB, as do I now. Only once in 40 years was I ever challenged on parking, and that decades ago, in Selby - I parked on my behalf of my partner, on double-yellows. Being fitter and more able to walk, plus her diverting into a shop, I got back to the car before her. Back then, the BB's only had the name, not a photo. A warden was lurking, must have read the female name on BB, saw me get in alone, and challenged my use of it. I explained I was waiting for her, during which she turned up, so he apologised. I replied with 'no problem at all, glad he was doing his job'.
The cars are made use of by the whole family, no one ever carries out any checks. Supermarket disabled spaces, quickly fill, often as not by people with no disability at all, and the BB's used by none disabled just to avoid them walking a few extra yards. Managers have no powers to prevent them. Great, when you are genuinely disabled, really need the space, and simply cannot park.
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Meldrew's mate obviously isn't!
I knew a guy who "borrowed!" a blue badge, but in car parks, sometimes I look, and don't see BBs missing.
I tend not to use supermarkets, but if there's no space I sit in the car, somewhat in the way, until there is. Same as hospitals.
There's a "rank" of disabled spaces outside the local Lidl, which is handy. It's a magnet for disableds, who also park on the yellow lines legally there.
For those of you without BB's, we can park just about anywhere unless it's "no loading". Single or double yellows are ok. It's funny, if you go to one of the coastal towns, it's "no loading" almost everywhere!
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I sometimes do that, until I see someone heading to try to get their blocked in car out - if they are obviously disabled, I move immediately, if they appear to be fit and very able, I might fail to notice them, forcing them to knock on my window, to ask me to move.
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What makes you think that all Blue Badge holders have Motability cars?
It's the other way around, PIP recipients get a blue badge automatically because blue badges are a lower standard.
Oh yeah, his post was a pile of ignorant nonsense alright.
Cripple vans, I remember
