Membership of the EU

[Yafo]

Do not forget that if it wasn't for Great Britain and the rest of the English-speaking world, the whole of Europe would now be speaking German! Furthermore, in 1973 this country joined the Common Market, essentially a Free Trade area. Quite how the Common Market evolved into the leviathan which is the EU, spawning the unelected, unanswerable European Commission, which seems to have more powers than the elected Euro-MPs, on its way, defies all logic. It is also of note that, for the last 20 years or more, stories have been circulating that auditors have refused to sign-off the EU's accounts. Whether this is completely accurate is unclear, but there's no smoke without fire!

All this is compounded by various "little Hitlers" throwing their weight about, especially Jean-Claude Juncker, who even had the audacity to say that Great Britain will do as it is told! Do you remember that some countries gave their citizens a vote on the Lisbon Treaty? If I remember correctly, Portugal and Ireland voted against. They were told by the dictators in Europe to vote again! And they did. Brown, who was then Prime Minister at the time, initially had agreed to give us a vote on the treaty, but then reneged, as, had we voted, and it is likely the vote would have been overwhelmingly against the Lisbon Treaty, the threats from Brussels/Strasbourg would have been given the proverbial two-fingers. This is something he needed to avoid, as it would probably have brought down the Labour government.

In conclusion, Europe needs Great Britain more than Great Britain needs Europe. Should we leave the EU with no deal, then there will be lots of BMWs and Mercedes, along with Volkswagens, Renaults and all of the rest sat in the manufacturers compounds in Germany and France. Our new cars will be Nissans, Toyotas, and Hondas, which are built in the UK (from parts imported from Japan) plus Vauxhall (unless PSA pull the rug) and Ford (unless Ford Germany put the boot in). Then we will be importing cars from our new trading partners so you will see on our roads the likes of Chevrolet, Buick, and Dodge. We could even entice the likes of Hyundai and Kia to come here, thereby sealing the fate of the big European manufacturers.

I voted for Brexit, because I am totally disillusioned with what the Common Market has become. With hindsight, I should have voted leave in 1975 when the Wilson government called a referendum on continued membership of the EEC (Common Market).

I think you are a long way off the mark with cars.

The reason we dont import many American cars, they are not suitable for UK roads. There are importers if you want 1.

We buy cars from all over the world, including Japan and Korea and China and Europe. Simply after Brexit they will be dearer, thats all, but still needed over here so we will keep importing them.

Now why do you think various manufacturers build cars in the UK? Mostly because of our easier employment laws, combined with access to the EU market. Once that market is taken away whwt di you think is the likely result? More, or less car manufacturers moving production to the UK.

Be careful what you wish for.

What countries do you want to do deal with thst make cars that we don't deal with already? I can't name any, can you ?

 

[Captain Black]

I did vote, which I now very much regret despite being a life long Eurosceptic, although pro European

Actually Im even more anti EU now, but I am also pragmatic and can appreciate the level of integration the UK has with the EU.

What I hate most about Brexit is the apalling treatment of the EU citizens living in this country. 'The three million' should have had their rights agreed from day one, not to have settled status agreed 2 years later and why not citizenship? In addition I hate the both the institutionalised and public toxic culture that now surrounds immigration.

Notch, I am one of those non British EU citizens and I have little sympathy for anyone from the EU who came here assuming that they would be fine to be a foreign national doing as they wished. To me it suggests a lack of commitment to the country that you have chosen to live in, just a temporary stop over. If they need to go to their own countries after Brexit, then so be it. I have been here a long time and I love the UK, I can show you my last blue (I still think that it is black) British passport, I keep it as a memento of when Britain used to be fun and dynamic and slightly mad. My Ukrainian born other half is also extremely proud of her hard won British citizenship and sees the wonders of Britain where most folk would never even notice... Just the simple fact that you can do anything you like in the UK unless there is a specific law to prevent you. Most people wouldn't even stop to notice the significance of that but in many countries, both inside and outside of the EU the rule is, you are prevented from doing anything unless the law allows you to do it. This is the edict of the EU. A small thing but once you think about it it is mind blowing. How did I vote? Hell, I campaigned for Labour Leave. What kind of brexit do I want? There is only one brexit.

 

[nauseous]

Do not forget that if it wasn't for Great Britain and the rest of the English-speaking world, the whole of Europe would now be speaking German!

Actually the Soviets did just as much if not more to defeat Hitler in WW2. If you can't even get that right then I'll
stop reading.

 

[Notch7]

Notch, I am one of those non British EU citizens and I have little sympathy for anyone from the EU who came here assuming that they would be fine to be a foreign national doing as they wished. To me it suggests a lack of commitment to the country that you have chosen to live in, just a temporary stop over. If they need to go to their own countries after Brexit, then so be it. I have been here a long time and I love the UK, I can show you my last blue (I still think that it is black) British passport, I keep it as a memento of when Britain used to be fun and dynamic and slightly mad. My Ukrainian born other half is also extremely proud of her hard won British citizenship and sees the wonders of Britain where most folk would never even notice... Just the simple fact that you can do anything you like in the UK unless there is a specific law to prevent you. Most people wouldn't even stop to notice the significance of that but in many countries, both inside and outside of the EU the rule is, you are prevented from doing anything unless the law allows you to do it. This is the edict of the EU. A small thing but once you think about it it is mind blowing. How did I vote? Hell, I campaigned for Labour Leave. What kind of brexit do I want? There is only one brexit.

Hi Captain Black, many thanks for your post and sharing your thoughts and your background to being 'here'.

JohnD will be sick to his stomach to discover you don't fit his pre concieved image of a Brexiteer ( next you will be saying you arent a plumber, he will implode).

 

[Roger928]

Do not forget that if it wasn't for Great Britain and the rest of the English-speaking world, the whole of Europe would now be speaking German! Furthermore, in 1973 this country joined the Common Market, essentially a Free Trade area. Quite how the Common Market evolved into the leviathan which is the EU, spawning the unelected, unanswerable European Commission, which seems to have more powers than the elected Euro-MPs, on its way, defies all logic. It is also of note that, for the last 20 years or more, stories have been circulating that auditors have refused to sign-off the EU's accounts. Whether this is completely accurate is unclear, but there's no smoke without fire!

All this is compounded by various "little Hitlers" throwing their weight about, especially Jean-Claude Juncker, who even had the audacity to say that Great Britain will do as it is told! Do you remember that some countries gave their citizens a vote on the Lisbon Treaty? If I remember correctly, Portugal and Ireland voted against. They were told by the dictators in Europe to vote again! And they did. Brown, who was then Prime Minister at the time, initially had agreed to give us a vote on the treaty, but then reneged, as, had we voted, and it is likely the vote would have been overwhelmingly against the Lisbon Treaty, the threats from Brussels/Strasbourg would have been given the proverbial two-fingers. This is something he needed to avoid, as it would probably have brought down the Labour government.

In conclusion, Europe needs Great Britain more than Great Britain needs Europe. Should we leave the EU with no deal, then there will be lots of BMWs and Mercedes, along with Volkswagens, Renaults and all of the rest sat in the manufacturers compounds in Germany and France. Our new cars will be Nissans, Toyotas, and Hondas, which are built in the UK (from parts imported from Japan) plus Vauxhall (unless PSA pull the rug) and Ford (unless Ford Germany put the boot in). Then we will be importing cars from our new trading partners so you will see on our roads the likes of Chevrolet, Buick, and Dodge. We could even entice the likes of Hyundai and Kia to come here, thereby sealing the fate of the big European manufacturers.

I voted for Brexit, because I am totally disillusioned with what the Common Market has become. With hindsight, I should have voted leave in 1975 when the Wilson government called a referendum on continued membership of the EEC (Common Market).

Spot on.

 

[Captain Black]

Actually the Soviets did just as much if not more to defeat Hitler in WW2. If you can't even get that right then I'll
stop reading.

The Soviet influence is complex. Stalin did himself no favours by purging the Soviet Union of its finest military leaders leaving the Red Army decapitated. The Finns managed to give the Red Army a good kicking just after the start of WW2 and the Germans saw how weak the Soviets were. There is some suggestion that despite the truly heroic acts of the Soviet people that Moscow would have fallen if it hadn't have been for the equipment sent to the Soviets by the British via the Arctic convoys.. This equipment allowed the Russians to cling on long enough for them to organise themselves, establish leaders and set up tank and other armament production far beyond the reach of the Germans. But this could be argued 'till the cows come home

 

[JohnD]

This is the edict of the EU.

nonsense

 

[EFLImpudence]

Just the simple fact that you can do anything you like in the UK unless there is a specific law to prevent you. Most people wouldn't even stop to notice the significance of that but in many countries, both inside and outside of the EU the rule is, you are prevented from doing anything unless the law allows you to do it.

Is that really the case?

It would seem to entail rather a lot of never ending additions.

Are you not succumbing to steriotypical nationalist humour?
I thought in French law everything is allowed even if it is forbidden.

 

[Captain Black]

nonsense

I grew up in a country under the same rules that the EU apply. You have had the freedom of the British legal system guaranteeing your freedoms to the point where I feel that you no longer deserve them.

 

[Captain Black]

Is that really the case?

It would seem to entail rather a lot of never ending additions.

Are you not succumbing to steriotypical nationalist humour?
I thought in French law everything is allowed even if it is forbidden.

It may well be the case in France but the point is it is forbidden in law so all it takes is a little extra enforcement. Many of these mechanisms are in place but at the moment ignored. The UK legal system has developed in a different way and so over the centuries we are prevented from doing many things and as the world develops the Brits constantly have to review the law.

 

[EFLImpudence]

It may well be the case in France

No it's a joke,like - in Russia everything is forbidden even if it is allowed.

but the point is it is forbidden in law so all it takes is a little extra enforcement. Many of these mechanisms are in place but at the moment ignored.

I don't understand that.

The UK legal system has developed in a different way and so over the centuries we are prevented from doing many things and as the world develops the Brits constantly have to review the law.

So would any country which does as you say - to allow new things rather than to forbid them.

It would seem to amount to the same thing.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Take the recent "upskirting" - not actually forbidden in UK so they had to bring in new law.

Anywhere under your system (if true) would not have had to bother, so which is better and does it matter.

 

[SirGalahad]

Notch, I am one of those non British EU citizens and I have little sympathy for anyone from the EU who came here assuming that they would be fine to be a foreign national doing as they wished. To me it suggests a lack of commitment to the country that you have chosen to live in, just a temporary stop over. If they need to go to their own countries after Brexit, then so be it. I have been here a long time and I love the UK, I can show you my last blue (I still think that it is black) British passport, I keep it as a memento of when Britain used to be fun and dynamic and slightly mad. My Ukrainian born other half is also extremely proud of her hard won British citizenship and sees the wonders of Britain where most folk would never even notice... Just the simple fact that you can do anything you like in the UK unless there is a specific law to prevent you. Most people wouldn't even stop to notice the significance of that but in many countries, both inside and outside of the EU the rule is, you are prevented from doing anything unless the law allows you to do it. This is the edict of the EU. A small thing but once you think about it it is mind blowing. How did I vote? Hell, I campaigned for Labour Leave. What kind of brexit do I want? There is only one brexit.

When was that? When did it change?

So I am not allowed to comb my hair in public unless a law allows me to do it.

a foreign national doing as they wished.

Just the simple fact that you can do anything you like in the UK unless there is a specific law to prevent you

So you don't like foreign nationals doing so as they wish in a country that allows you to do anything that's not prohibited. Hmmm so what these foreign nationals actually doing then?

 

[motorbiking]

Its interesting that nobody wants soft Brexit.

 

[JohnD]

Its interesting

It's actually not true, so it isn't interesting at all.