Money saving asylum seeker pilot scheme abandoned

[IT Minion]

not any more

We should find out in a couple of years.

My bet is that this latest attempt to get around the letter of the law on Asylum seekers will get thrown out and nothing will change except wasted time and money. Just like every other measure that the Tories have tried in the last decade.

In the mean time opportunities to save time money and lives are ignored because of a fanatical wing of the population is obsessed about immigration and won't accept anything that isn't seen as vicious and cruel. And the Tories need that faction to keep any seats at the next election.

 

[motorbiking]

The judiciary seem to be onboard with this one for a change.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Except you will be, because most of the time you are. Because most of these asylum seekers are legitimate refugees.

not any more

If they are, they cannot be returned due to the refoulement clause.
And the same protection will prevent their removal to anywhere else.
So allow them to remain in some kind of limbo, where they are denied access to publich funds, accomodation and employment.
Or grant the asylum and allow them to contribute and integrate into society.

Hmm, difficult decision.

 

[motorbiking]

But they can be sent somewhere else.

 

[Roy Bloom]

But they can be sent somewhere else.

Not yet, they can't.
Remind me, did Rishi say he'd stop the boats?
Or did he say he'd send the asylum seekers elsewhere?

 

[motorbiking]

I'm sure you can google it. I don't pay much attention to what he says.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I'm sure you can google it. I don't pay much attention to what he says.

Strange that.

I believe very little of what you say. In fact, hardly anything. Why?

Because you deliberately mislead

 

[IT Minion]

not any more

From a moral/ethical position does that bother you at all? The idea that the UK is closed to virtually all refugees?

 

[motorbiking]

that’s not true though.

What we must do is break the people trafficking gangs who exploit people, cost us and our neighbours a fortune and put peoples’ lives at risk.

A lot of people want the asylum system to go faster. Saying no quickly should do that.

 

[Roy Bloom]

What we must do is break the people trafficking gangs who exploit people, cost us and our neighbours a fortune and put peoples’ lives at risk.

Easy peasy. Make safe legal routes available.

Like the drug taking problem analogy, if you provide safe legal drugs to replace the dangerous illegal drugs - problem solved.

 

[IT Minion]

that’s not true though.

What we must do is break the people trafficking gangs who exploit people, cost us and our neighbours a fortune and put peoples’ lives at risk.

A lot of people want the asylum system to go faster. Saying no quickly should do that.

There is no safe and legal route for most of the world's trouble spots. The only routes that exist to apply to the UK are if you're from:

Hong Kong
Ukraine
Afghanistan (but it's virtually impossible to do)

 

[Roy Bloom]

There is no safe and legal route for most of the world's trouble spots. The only routes that exist to apply to the UK are if you're from:

Hong Kong
Ukraine
Afghanistan (but it's virtually impossible to do)

You ask the government for a passport, and permission to travel.
They ask you "where do you want to go"
They ask you "why you want to go there".
You say you want to apply for asylum.........
That'll work.

 

[denso13]

Easy peasy. Make safe legal routes available.

There is now no route for access at all for some. People talk about the skivers but forget there are plenty of people who have a good case for protection.

Interesting item on R4 this morning. An Iraqi mum who is trying to get her three children on a boat. When she was asked if the recent drownings in the Channel worried her she said she must try for her kids and that the risk is better than being shot at outside their home in Iraq. She spoke pretty decent English and her kids were also picking up the language.

But we are saying to everyone, even the most persecuted of people, go away and find a country who will help. It isn't us. It's despicable.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

But we are saying to everyone, even the most persecuted of people, go away and find a country who will help. It isn't us. It's despicable.

The grim reality is that we are a rich country, and we're all used to being rich. If we allow everyone who wants to come here in then we'll be much poorer.

If we take the carey-sharey attitude of many do-gooders to its conclusion then we need to average out world wealth. In which case nobody will have a house, each british family will have a room within a shared house. I don't think even the most pompous preachy lefty would actually want to make this sacrifice.

Why are we rolling over for those who take massive dangers with their own and their kids' lives? If she's deserving then why not just send a container load of UK passports to Iraq, let's care for all of them.

As ever, socialism is fine until you actually think about it.

 

[denso13]

If we allow everyone who wants to come here in then we'll be much poorer.

If she's deserving then why not just send a container load of UK passports to Iraq, let's care for all of them.

I didn't suggest any of that, it is the usual response though.

If we take the carey-sharey attitude of many do-gooders to its conclusion then we need to average out world wealth

I didn't suggest that either. The problem is we have now decided not to accept anyone at all from certain countries, no matter how dire their lives and needs are, You might be happy with that, I'm not.