Why do you think you know better than the IEC?
The International Electrotechnical Commission (IEC) defines supply system low voltage as voltage in the range 50–1000 V AC or 120–1500 V DC.
Musings on the futility of Life, the Universe, and the term "Low Voltage"
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Why do you think you know better than the IEC?
The International Electrotechnical Commission (IEC) defines supply system low voltage as voltage in the range 50–1000 V AC or 120–1500 V DC.
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I don't know better.
And neither do you.
No it doesn't.
And you have been told that before.
So here you are, again, making statements which you know are false.
What is the term for someone who says things which he knows are untrue, and what is it you keep being asked to stop doing?
Winston - stop lying.
John - he knows that. But just as with "electronic transformers" he doesn't like it, and therefore, in his mind, that gives him all the justification he needs to come here and lie about it.
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Be that as it may, I think that many of those here probably need to exhibit some humility ...
Until just a few days ago (and thanks to stillp for enlightening us), very few people appeared to know that. On the contrary, not a week went past without some unsuspecting newcomer being taken to task for describing 12V as Low Voltage.
Kind Regards, John
Yes, thanks to stillp for pointing out something that should not have needed pointing out.
Roll on the 18th. It just seems to get worse.
I am one of those who corrected the (apparent) error - rather than take to task.
It does not, though, alter the fact that describing a light as low voltage is no help in deciding what someone actually means.
In that respect, it is still wrong.
Roll on the 18th. It just seems to get worse.
I am one of those who corrected the (apparent) error - rather than take to task.
It does not, though, alter the fact that describing a light as low voltage is no help in deciding what someone actually means.
In that respect, it is still wrong.
Indeed so.
As you will no doubt have noted, it seems that the 18th is still going to have its own (non-IEC) definition of LV.
Me, too - albeit usually prefaced with "before someone else tells you", and indicating what "electricians' speak" was, rather than 'correcting'!
Technically true, I suppose, but as I have said so often, when someone who is not an electrician, electrical engineer (or similar) talks of a "low voltage light", we effectively do know what they mean - and it's not 230V
Kind Regards, John
We think we do, but like sparkwrights "grey for neutral" we will never be quite sure so will always have to ask.Technically true, I suppose, but as I have said so often, when someone who is not an electrician, electrical engineer (or similar) talks of a "low voltage light", we effectively do know what they mean - and it's not 230V
Well - humility isn't really needed, just a recognition that we've been wrong, and the stopping of continuing to give out the wrong information.
Indeed. Not helped by BS 7671 having its own definition of LV.
"Taken to task"? Not sure that happens?
"Wrong" it may be, but I'm with John re knowing what people mean.
I doubt that there is a single lighting seller, be it a department store, DIY store, electrical goods retailer, specialist lighting shop, or electrical wholesaler where if you said "I'm looking for some low voltage lights for ______ " you'd be shown anything other than 12V.
That is because those stores use untrained idiots. After all even if you accept 12v as LV lights come in all sorts of voltages, 24v is common for some LEDs for example.
As winston has pointed out, they should ask what ('ELV') voltage you wanted. However, the one thing I'm sure of is that it is incredibly unlikely that you would be offered any 230V products.
Kind Regards, John
The sort of untrained idiots who will also tell you that you are not allowed to put an FCU or a BS1363 socket on a lighting circuit, perhaps?
It may be that 'we' do know - almost certainly - what a poster means when using the term Low Voltage.
However, the latest question was -
"but i'm a bit worried how they can be safe if not low voltage [,] can these be left outside for good "
Can you answer that without explaining what low voltage is?
However, the latest question was -
"but i'm a bit worried how they can be safe if not low voltage [,] can these be left outside for good "
Can you answer that without explaining what low voltage is?
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