Neutral wire to Futureproof?

[JohnW2]

Thanks for all the replies. I’ve stated to them what I’m looking to do so I’ll see what happens!

It would be good if you could let us know ('what happens')!

Kind Regards, John

 

[cjard]

Of course, we've been talking about '1-way' switching. If any of the switching is '2-way' then that in itself needs 3C+E

One of the wonderful things about having these ridiculously expensive dimmer modules is that is makes N-way switching a doddle - the dimmer has 2 switch terminals that need to be shorted to get it to do something, so you can have any number of switches on a 2C+e, in parallel. Note though that they'd need to be momentary, not toggle (but using toggle switches with most smart dimmer modules is a daft idea/substandard method of operation if they do support it)

 

[SimonH2]

Has anyone ever noticed 559.5.1.208?

For those of us who have misplaced* our big red, err green, err yellow, err skybluepinkwithyellowspots book - do I take it from following comments that it says something about considering future maintenance and alterations ?

It depends on the house I suppose; pretty sure in mine it'd be easier to GOP a hole in a plasterboard wall than it would to lift any of the glued-and-ringnailed-22mm-tng-8x2 flooring boards.

The joys of modern construction methods - fix one (IMO) non-problem and make the building a PITA to maintain for evermore

 

[JohnW2]

For those of us who have misplaced* our big red, err green, err yellow, err skybluepinkwithyellowspots book - do I take it from following comments that it says something about considering future maintenance and alterations ?

Spot on (but only specifically about neutrals) ....

Consideration shall be given to the provision of the neutral conductor, at each switch position, to facilitate the installation of electronic switching devices.

Kind Regards, John

 

[SimonH2]

Spot on (but only specifically about neutrals) ....

Well, that's one I've never seen or heard of before.
Struggling to think where on earth I put that darned book. We've recently moved, it was on my desk, I moved it to somewhere that wasn't in the way and you can guess the rest - I can't think where that out of the way was It'll turn up when I'm not looking for it !

 

[JohnW2]

Well, that's one I've never seen or heard of before.

Nor had EFLI, who stumbled across it, nor myself (and I suspect nor most other people, either!)

Struggling to think where on earth I put that darned book. We've recently moved, it was on my desk, I moved it to somewhere that wasn't in the way and you can guess the rest - I can't think where that out of the way was

Ah - I'm very familiar with that, so should be able to help you - I think you'll find that is is "in a safe place"

Kind Regards, John

 

[EFLImpudence]

Yes, it'll be in the last place you look.

 

[JohnD]

not if you keep looking after you've found it.

 

[JohnW2]

Yes, it'll be in the last place you look.

Of course - didn't you know that that's where "safe places" live?

Kind Regards, John

 

[EFLImpudence]

Why don't we look there first?

 

[JohnW2]

Why don't we look there first?

Because Mr you-know-who's Law has already thought of that one

Kind Regards, John

 

[cjard]

Surely, then, it's within 6 inches of the horizontal or vertical axis of a socket?

(sorry)

 

[SimonH2]

Nor had EFLI, who stumbled across it, nor myself (and I suspect nor most other people, either!)

I see it's not in the red book*, so it's a relatively recent addition - understandable if people haven't come across it.

* It's rather an expensive book to buy every version for occasional DIY. Do they publish an official list of changes in each version, or are people supposed to find them ?

Ah - I'm very familiar with that, so should be able to help you - I think you'll find that is is "in a safe place"

Indeed it was. I started thinking back to "what was I doing when I moved it" ... and then I went and looked in the box of books I'd just put in the attic ... and there it was.

 

[JohnW2]

I see it's not in the red book*, so it's a relatively recent addition - understandable if people haven't come across it.

Indeed, and you can tell that by the format of the number ... I think that the "208" at the end means that it first appeared in Amd3 (Amd 2 was an odd one, which almost no-one noticed!)

* It's rather an expensive book to buy every version for occasional DIY. Do they publish an official list of changes in each version, or are people supposed to find them ?

Published as a (free or cheap) standalone document, you mean? If so, I don't think so.

Indeed it was. I started thinking back to "what was I doing when I moved it" ... and then I went and looked in the box of books I'd just put in the attic ... and there it was.

Well done. I'm glad that I was "right"

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

* It's rather an expensive book to buy every version for occasional DIY. Do they publish an official list of changes in each version, or are people supposed to find them ?

No.

But they are supposed not to argue about topics because they haven't got the current version.