New boiler and gas lead pipe

[ric1982]

Hi,

I just had someone quoated for a new boiler. The quote looked ok. During the visit he mentioned that the lead pipe from the meter should get changed. He said he is going to do that part as cash on hand (so not included in the bill) . Its £75 Cash on hand. If we were to add to the quote then it would be considerable more.

My question is, is this something I should be doing cash on hand (without invoice) ?

Thanks

 

[gas112]

Can't see why a couple of fittings and a foot of pipe would be considerably more than 75 quid when already on the job .

 

[Hugh Jaleak]

Don't see an issue with it being Cash in hand, its something he can do with a few bits off the van whilst there, and doesn't need to involve HMRC. The pipework will have to be of a suitable size and will be tightness tested as part of the installation. Whether £75 is reasonable is a matter between you and him.

 

[ric1982]

The question more about gas safety. For e.g. in future if there is leak then how do I prove its done by a qualified enginner (to an insurnace company for eg.) . (This might be stupid question but just something thats bothering me)

 

[gas112]

The question more about gas safety. For e.g. in future if there is leak then how do I prove its done by a qualified enginner (to an insurnace company for eg.) . (This might be stupid question but just something thats bothering me)

When he fits the boiler part of the testing and certification is stating the gas installation is safe

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

The question more about gas safety. For e.g. in future if there is leak then how do I prove its done by a qualified enginner (to an insurnace company for eg.) . (This might be stupid question but just something thats bothering me)

Chances are, it will not leak, and will be fine, most of gas pipes in buildings lack records of who has done what anyway - but if you have concerns, get it marked up on the bill as having been done by him.

 

[Gasguru]

Are you happy to be part of his conspiracy to evade tax?
It might get very awkward should the job go wrong and you need to issue a CCJ etc.
I'd bin him off for for his greed and not including the work it in the quote.
The meter needs a bracket to secure it and the lead replaced with copper...£10 in bits and 30 mins work.

 

[ric1982]

Are you happy to be part of his conspiracy to evade tax?
It might get very awkward should the job go wrong and you need to issue a CCJ etc.
I'd bin him off for for his greed and not including the work it in the quote.
The meter needs a bracket to secure it and the lead replaced with copper...£10 in bits and 30 mins work.

This is one of the thing... is this something that has to be done? or is it nice to have? My motto is , dont fix if its not broken but also if its going to be problem in future and someone is there then may as well fix it.

Does the lead pipe restrict gas flow (for e.g) as the lead pipe would be denser then copper pipe?

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Does the lead pipe restrict gas flow (for e.g) as the lead pipe would be denser then copper pipe?

No, who ever installed the boiler, would have to ensure there was sufficient flow, for the boiler, plus any other appliances. I understand, old lead can though become quite brittle, and can look untidy, so for that reason worth replacing. The old lead, might also be quite valuable for scrap.

 

[Gasguru]

The meter installation is classed as "At Risk".
This is an industry standard category and it should not have been left "as is" without some plan of action ie. making safe.

It's not a case of "nice to have". Meters and pipework must be adequately supported. Although lead can be left, given it's age it would normally have been replaced by now. It was rare to come across lead 25 years ago let alone now.

As for "don't fix if its not broken" well you're
a. not in a position (being non gas trained) to know whether it's "broken" and
b. many systems such as modern boilers will happily destroy themselves without regular servicing.

And no one would dare get on a plane with the same attitude.

As for paying cash, why do you think he wants cash?
Personally I would ban all cash payments for trades, it creates a very unfair playing field.
I would also be careful as he may be installing the boiler under a company that he's employed by but doing the meter work himself (where it's likely he won't be gas registered or insured).

 

[accelerator]

Hi,

I just had someone quoated for a new boiler. The quote looked ok. During the visit he mentioned that the lead pipe from the meter should get changed. He said he is going to do that part as cash on hand (so not included in the bill) . Its £75 Cash on hand. If we were to add to the quote then it would be considerable more.

My question is, is this something I should be doing cash on hand (without invoice) ?

Thanks

If he's employed, this is a tradesperson trying to make money for himself on the side, so as well as not paying the tax, he is also effectively stealing from his employer.

So, the answer is no!

 

[gas112]

The meter installation is classed as "At Risk".
This is an industry standard category and it should not have been left "as is" without some plan of action ie. making safe.

It's not a case of "nice to have". Meters and pipework must be adequately supported. Although lead can be left, given it's age it would normally have been replaced by now. It was rare to come across lead 25 years ago let alone now.

As for "don't fix if its not broken" well you're
a. not in a position (being non gas trained) to know whether it's "broken" and
b. many systems such as modern boilers will happily destroy themselves without regular servicing.

And no one would dare get on a plane with the same attitude.

As for paying cash, why do you think he wants cash?
Personally I would ban all cash payments for trades, it creates a very unfair playing field.
I would also be careful as he may be installing the boiler under a company that he's employed by but doing the meter work himself (where it's likely he won't be gas registered or insured).

Put a link to the unsafe procedure that says the meter itself is AR .

 

[Gasguru]

Don't be an ar5e...you can plainly see a meter swinging on a flexi and old lead pipe is unsafe and G11 3.11 makes reference to poorly supported pipework.

 

[gas112]

Don't be an ar5e...you can plainly see a meter swinging on a flexi and old lead pipe is unsafe and G11 3.11 makes reference to poorly supported pipework.

Why is asking you to back up your comment with proof of where it says in the unsafe situation book that the meter is AR which after you checking you now know it isnt there
yes pipe work is mentioned but not the meter which are allowed to be fitted on a floor when they have plastic feet as that one does .

 

[Gasguru]

I'm not arguing with your petty interpretations.

For the OP the meter should be attached to the wall...

or floor...