New P.M.

[EFLImpudence]

Theresa May got an absolute majority in the first ballot.

Do Brexiters think she should be declared leader and, therefore, Prime Minister NOW?

 

[Deleted member 63160]

I don't remember voting for her?

 

[Deleted member 63160]

Perhaps when due process is complete a lot of w@nkers should start complaining that they want another vote or perhaps decide that they'll ignore the result cos they don't like it. That would be fair and democratic
Just out of interest what is an "absolute majority"? Is it that every single person voted for her, or did she just get more than the losers? Is there a recognized ratio of votes to give an "absolute majority"?

 

[Himaginn]

Perhaps when due process is complete a lot of w@nkers should start complaining that they want another vote or perhaps decide that they'll ignore the result cos they don't like it. That would be fair and democratic
Just out of interest what is an "absolute majority"? Is it that every single person voted for her, or did she just get more than the losers? Is there a recognized ratio of votes to give an "absolute majority"?

An absolute majority is at least 51% of the electorate. As in a majority government is at least 51% of MPs.
A minority winning vote is less than 50% of electorate, as in a minority government is less than 50% of MPs, but the largest party.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Not quite 51% in this case but more than 50%.

I.e. more than all the others combined.

 

[Himaginn]

Not quite 51% in this case but more than 50%.

I.e. more than all the others combined.

Agreed. More accurate than my description.

 

[sooey]

Well according to the rules of the tory party the MPs can only decide the last two contestants, and the party members then vote between them to decide who wins. They were the rules made before the contest took place and that is what will happen. If May gets an absolute majority in that vote she will win and be the leader. And nobody will be saying it was unfair because half the MPs were lied to, or some of them are stupid or ignorant.
Even though a lot of the party will disagree with the result they will rally behind their new leader and hope for the best.
That's the way it should be, pity it can't be like that with all of the young childish crybabies who can't accept a democratic vote.

 

[EFLImpudence]

You have understood the point I was making.

So, you think the rest of the rules regarding implementation of brexit, i.e. parliamentary procedure, should be abandoned.

 

[sooey]

Not at all.

It should be passed through parliament with all speed now that the people have spoken.

 

[EFLImpudence]

...but what if the majority of M.P.s disagree?

 

[sooey]

You don't seem to understand.
Parliament is there by the consent of the people to govern them.
Now that a specific question has been asked, and has shown the will of the people on this issue parliament has no choice but to follow it.
Otherwise we no longer have a democracy.
It doesn't matter at all what any individual MP feels about this, they either follow the will of the majority or lose any right to claim to be a democrat.
The will of the governed in this country is not subservient to the will of the governors. It is vice versa.
I'm sure that you know all this, and yet you still whinge.

 

[JohnD]

You don't seem to understand.

Sadly the British Constitution does not have provision for referendums, so the rules are not defined.

It does however have provision for the supremacy of Parliament.

In countries that do have provision for referendums, the constitution defines how they work, which is certainly a great advantage.

It is fruitless trying to guess how something will work if it has not been defined in advance.

And yet you still whinge.

 

[sooey]

So according to you we don't have government by consent in this country. I beg to differ, at least until such time as we get subsumed into that undemocratic shambles the EU.
Thankfully that won't happen anytime soon now.

 

[Himaginn]

So according to you we don't have government by consent in this country. I beg to differ, at least until such time as we get subsumed into that undemocratic shambles the EU.
Thankfully that won't happen anytime soon now.

This is why some have suggested there should be General Election. Parties can include the subject in their manifesto.
I suspect that this is what may happen but politicians are waiting a while for the fall-out of Brexit to become clearer.
Of course it won't the same rules because it'll be first past the post system. But it'll provide a government who can claim a mandate.

 

[sooey]

This is why some have suggested there should be General Election. Parties can include the subject in their manifesto.

That would be interesting, seeing as all the major parties are pro remain.