So my question is simple:
You obviously mean a fault in the EICR - along with all the other inaccuracies.
I presume you write a report stating the true situation - along with all the other inaccuracies.
As often discussed, one of the (many) apparent problems with the "rental legislation" is that it includes no provision for formally disputing or appealing against an incorrect EICR.
Well, yes, but, as EFLI has realised, I was thinking/talking about (and perhaps should have made this clearer) 'sensible' cross-linkings of a ring, and I can't see (but see below **) why on earth anyone would contemplate doing as you have suggested.
I don't hold a current copy of regs (I did 16th in 2004 and hold only the brown books of the age). I haven't made much of an effort to check it but so far I've seen nothing which allows it, only things appearing to exclude it.
My involvement in such matters is as a (sub)contractor and given instructions, usually to add an OCPD or incorporate the spur into the ring.
Appendix 15A does not show both legs of a ring following the same route out and back.
What about your knowledge of electrcal principles?
People need to think for themselves more.
Yes, correct the EICR. Say it is wrong.
I don't think it has changed. What is in the brown version that you have?
Oh yes I understand enough to know if something is OK but EICR's are based around compliance with the regs, especially in the rental environment. However I have also found evidence of an overheated 2.5mm² where a heavy demand was regularly made within ~1m of the CU.
I couldn't agree more but unless a reg states something is compliant it gets listed as non compliant, especially in the rental environment.
Is it
IIRC it states something like; "A non-fused spur feeds only one single or one twin or multiple socket outlet or one permanently connected equipment." (quoted from an email relating to one EICR).
A big difference, your image actually shows a single outlet, beit a socket or fuse, and 2.5mm² cable. Unless the regs actually state '4mm² unfused spur with multiple outlets' it will always be listed as non compliant by inspectors, the following image at no point shows what you advocate, regardless of whether it's safe..
As I (and others0 have said, nothing in the regulations 'excludes' it. The thing which many people seem to think 'excludes it' is informative guidance in the (not 'normative') in Appendix 15 ...
Yes, if coded as C2 (or C1) it means that, in the opinion of the person providing the EICR, something has to be seen to be done to 'correct it', since C2 means that, again in the opinion of the person providing the EICR, the person regards it as 'potentially dangerous'. However, BS7671 gives no guidance as to what is, and what is not, 'potentially dangerous' so one 'inspector may give a C2 to something which few, if any, other electricians would. It is difficult to talk about 'wrong' or 'incorrect', since it is a matter of personal opinion/judgement (which, in my opinion, it shouldn't be in most cases) but when gets close to that when few, if any, other electricians would have the same opinion.
See the preamble to the Appendices of BS7671 included above. There is nothing unacceptable about 'Ignoring' the guidance given in any of the Appendices, other than Appendix.
... in which case, as I've said, they describe it as 'no-compliant', then they are plain wrong. I suppose they could personally believe it to be 'potentially dangerous', despite being compliant with BS7671, but I don't think they are expected/'allowed' to 'code something' which is compliant, are they (since the code should reference the relevant reg in BS7671) ?
It doesn't need to - it is in a part of the book which does not relate to 'requirements' of BS 7671.
That is not actually true.
A good example.
I have nothing here available to refer to but i'm believing I remember something like that from the course I did.
indeed and another topic that rears it's head on here from time to time with various replies
Judging by the incorrect replies on here when the subject is raised it seems there are many who don't know that it's permissible and even listed in regs
I certainly don't think that only one size of cable is allowed, one ring rewire I worked on many years back was specified by the insurance company as 6mm² to reduce the fire risk in a thatched property and another job the ring was calculated at 6mm² for VD reasons.
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