Omicron variant caught a cold

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LOL. Trying to use standard deviation. Sorry folks I don't think that will work. Pathogenicity is heavily skewed by age in terms of hospitalisation. A tricky one as at times they have had loads of 30 odd year olds in most just needing oxygen but without it - death. Recently most have been around the 50's spectra but the 30's spectra has started getting significant as of last week making up around ~1/3 of the total. 2/3 still 50's.Catching relates do behaviour and etc plus randomness. What do you think the older groups are doing?

The actual age ranges involved run from either side of those.

C4 had one of the SA docs who reckons it's a milder disease on last night. She described typical symptom of a mild reaction to covid. She also was tongue tied on vaccinated or not. The missing info anyway is the age spectra of the people she has examined. She also admitted the UK is different.

Lets say for instance all were young. This could mean it's more likely to cause symptoms than delta which is reckoned to be more likely to cause symptoms than the previous virus.

Some other info came out of SA when Az started being used extensively. Their medical man reckoned that in terms of preventing more severe reactions it was ~30% effective but this was with younger people. They did a quick monitor of 10k people. For some reason young figures again. The other aspect is how does 30% compare with an unvaccinated population. The young are less likely to have problems anyway. :eek: In an odd sort of way the UK and others are finally getting to a stage where a lot more light can be shed on that aspect due to high vaccination levels but even that is warped by age.

What countries can't do at the moment is assume it is milder and will result in less hospitalisation. They can see that it looks like it will spread to more people than usual so a bit of a clamp down on spread is introduced. It's too late to do anything if it does result in too much hospitalisation and it will take several weeks to find out what it means in practice. As Boris has said more steps may be needed.

Thanks to taking notice of sensible news sources I can add something else. Our medical lot keep a close watch on Israel as they are well ahead of the game. They started triple jabbing a while ago now. They were beginning to loose control. I think it's pretty obvious why the UK has held off for a while - winter. They want the effects of boosters etc to last through that period. This is also probably why the age range has been extended hoping that will reduce spread.

The other point of course is that even if it is milder the vaccines may not be as effective. Only time will tell. That has been the big worry all along about variants.
 
Somehow I don't think it'll be that simple, either. There's a history with covid of people with axes to grind giving fake infirmation. If the SA Borises suddenly discover they have no motive to pretend they don't have a problem and yes, there are a few thousand deaths from o, it'll look very different.
Can’t really make it out but I think your’e trying to say the South African’s are lying..... Enough said really.
 
Sure, most of us may get it eventually. Several days ago I suggested how we might get to 300,000 deaths quite easliy, from 32,000,000 cases.
Whatever the multiple is, SA still reports NO deaths. If we have 200,000, they must ALL have it by now. By that measure we might not get any either.
South Africa is almost entirely Omicron now, why do you assume none of the deaths are Omicron?
 
Lets just make stuff up when it suits us.:LOL:. priceless.
NO deaths here.
I posted an article quoting a medical professional in SA who was speaking from experience and dealing in facts, John D and others respond with hypotheticals and supposition.
I get the uneasy feeling that some people on this forum wil be less than happy if the public health catastrophe they are predicting does not occur.
 
Maybe you are wrong about "not serious"
There is certainly a lot of governments and scientists who think it could be very serious, or they wouldn't be doing what they are doing - only a fool would dismiss the potential of what is coming.

I hear the hoax calls and tend to agree with them, but if that is true, why are so many European governments running scared ? what is in it for them to close economies down.
 
supposition.

You mean like suggesting the disease has a zero percent death rate?

Antivaxxers and deniers like to cycle through a few popular hoaxes:

1) There is no "virus"

2) The disease is not dangerous

3) Vaccines do not help

4) Vaccines kill more people than the disease

All of these claims are false, but they keep being made.

Justin's "zero percent death rate" is a variation of (2)
 
There is certainly a lot of governments and scientists who think it could be very serious, or they wouldn't be doing what they are doing - only a fool would dismiss the potential of what is coming.

I hear the hoax calls and tend to agree with them, but if that is true, why are so many European governments running scared ? what is in it for them to close economies down.
My understanding is that most EU countries are using the vaccine passport.
And as I just explained in another thread, the vaccine passport is a kind of compromise between full operation of the economy, and closing the economy down by insisting on full isolation.
Sure, isolation for those infected, but use the vaccine passport for those not infected to allow the economy to function as near as normal as possible.
 
I posted an article quoting a medical professional in SA who was speaking from experience and dealing in facts, John D and others respond with hypotheticals and supposition.
I get the uneasy feeling that some people on this forum wil be less than happy if the public health catastrophe they are predicting does not occur.
The issue I have with the people theorising that Omicron is less dangerous is that they don't have the data to tell. South Africa is an excellent example of the challenge, it was the first country to get Omicron that has merely poor quality data rather than effectively none at all (Gambia etc.).

Without good data, which we won't have for another week or more, it is impossible to tell how dangerous Omicron is compared to Delta.

The supposed decrease in severity could just be down to its known improved ability to reinfect people. If Covid was going to kill you then it's have done it the first time after all.
 
My understanding is that most EU countries are using the vaccine passport.
And as I just explained in another thread, the vaccine passport is a kind of compromise between full operation of the economy, and closing the economy down by insisting on full isolation.
Sure, isolation for those infected, but use the vaccine passport for those not infected to allow the economy to function as near as normal as possible.
vaccinated people will still get covid and sometimes be hospitalised and sometimes die even with a passport. Other vaccinated people with passports will infect them. It’s like talking to little children.
 
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vaccinated people will still get covid and sometimes be hospitalised and sometimes die
True, but the likelihood of any of that happening is greatly reduced.
Wouldn't you want to, and encourage others, to take whatever measures are necessary to greatly reduce the risk of becoming severely ill ,and/or dying?
Not to mention catching a virus and passing it on to others who also then acquire that greater risk through no fault of their own?


even with a passport.
FFS, having a passport makes not one iota of difference to catching Covid. It merely makes it possible to participate in society if you've had the vaccine.

Other vaccinated people with passports will infect them. It’s like talking to little children.
But as just said above, the risk of a) catching it, b) being severely ill from it, c) dying from it, d) passing it on to others and e) adding to the number of variants (anyone one of each could always be worse than the previous) is greatly reduced if you've had the vaccine.
If you're not interested in helping to protect others, it's highly irresponsible to exploit conspiracy theories in the hope of persuading others to be equally irresponsible.
Perhaps you just don't want to be irresponsible all on your own and you need the company and support of other irresponsible people.
 
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