Omicron variant caught a cold

[Harry Bloomfield]

Dunnit sound a bit similar to OxyContin - a drug that was pushed on the American people by a company currently being sued for billions?

Many names sound the same, so what? What point are you trying to make?

 

[Deleted member 292770]

Accepting your comment at face value,(and I don't) and allowing for the doubling of cases every 2 - 3 days, and using BBC figures for France, that'll put France on about 1000 cases of Omicron, compared to UK's 10,000 (BBC figures), or 28,000 using Notch's figures.
That's still one heck of a mismatch.
The restrictions in European countries, by and large have been a) more restrictive, and b) more consistent, and c) better observed by the people than in UK.

Lost all interest after ‘bbc figures’

 

[AngleEyes]

In London it is claimed that O variant is 50% of all cases. Any country introducing restrictions on travel now, has already missed the boat. The moment you can't trace the origin to travel is the moment you know you have many uncounted infections. The difference between nations is purely the pace and source, along with some head in the sand approaches (don't test = don't find). We wont know how deadly this is, for another 2 weeks probably.

You do come out with some nonsense desperately trying to justify the comparatively large number of cases in UK.
Of course the pace of transmission will vary.
If you have country A with severe consistent restrictions in place for a prolonged period of time: e.g masks must be worn, vaccine passports must be held and shown for normal activities, and leaders set good examples, compared to country B, where restrictions are haphazard and inconsistent, vaccine passports are belatedly introduced and leaders set poor examples or defy the regulations entirely, so that mask wearing becomes pretty much apathetic, and regulations are all but ignored, then of course pace of the transmission will vary. But that's not accidental or an unintended consequence. It's by design.

Then we have the (don't test = don't find) argument. What do you think happens to the cases in other countries that are not detected purely through testing? Do they magically disappear? Or perhaps you think that UK citizens are more concerned with testing and tracing than citizens of other countries?
The observation of the regulations tend to suggest otherwise.

 

[AngleEyes]

Lost all interest after ‘bbc figures’

And you claim to be well informed?

 

[Deleted member 292770]

Accepting your comment at face value,(and I don't) and allowing for the doubling of cases every 2 - 3 days, and using BBC figures for France, that'll put France on about 1000 cases of Omicron, compared to UK's 10,000 (BBC figures), or 28,000 using Notch's figures.
That's still one heck of a mismatch.
The restrictions in European countries, by and large have been a) more restrictive, and b) more consistent, and c) better observed by the people than in UK.

Lost all interest after ‘bbc figures’

 

[Deleted member 292770]

You managed to reply before I even commented. Now that’s impressive.

 

[AngleEyes]

Naughty Notch!

How many times do I have to tell you: context is everything. For these numbers to make sense in relation to each other you must give them as a percentage of all people tested in each country.

Please do show how the percentages of positive tests in the context of total tests taken makes more sense than just the number of cases on their own.

 

[AngleEyes]

Lost all interest after ‘bbc figures’

And you claim to be well informed?

Lost all interest after ‘bbc figures’

You managed to reply before I even commented. Now that’s impressive.

Clearly you've totally lost it.

 

[Deleted member 292770]

Clearly you've totally lost it.

look again

 

[AngleEyes]

look again

I suggest you go to the doctors and tell him you're suffering from acute memory loss:

 

[ajohn]

You do come out with some nonsense desperately trying to justify the comparatively large number of cases in UK.

The % of Omicron is most likely higher in London. B'ham usually follows and so on. A new variant will spread in the same way as the original covid infection did. It's down to concentration of people and the number of visitors for one reason or another each day.

London also has it's airports - one of the major routes in for a virus. The original flu based plan the UK used is based on that while explaining why nothing can be done about it. Also mention of where international visitors tend to go when they arrive.

 

[AngleEyes]

The % of Omicron is most likely higher in London. B'ham usually follows and so on. A new variant will spread in the same way as the original covid infection did. It's down to concentration of people and the number of visitors for one reason or another each day.

London also has it's airports - one of the major routes in for a virus. The original flu based plan the UK used is based on that while explaining why nothing can be done about it. Also mention of where international visitors tend to go when they arrive.

Other countries have busy airports also.

 

[Justin Passing]

Netherlands is interesting to check.

They got omi before we did. First cases 19th Nov iirc Their proportion is higher than ours now (this a few days old)

Their number of cases...

is falling.
As it is in the SA province, Gauteng. (COuntry fig is on the graph)


Actual Numbers of Cases figures depends how many you test.
If you compare our figures now for cases with the time when they were previously this high, we're doing several (~3.5) times as many tests now.

We're told that community numbers will be wahae higher. I expect that's true. Once people learn that omicron mostly means just a day or two off groggy, they won't bother to report it, or get themselves into hospital. Unless their employer pays.
Hopefully it'll give us all a degree of natural immunity for the future.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus


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A snippet of interest to some - It was found that AstraZenica jab gave NO protection for omicron.
So if you had two of those, get yourself a Pfizzy booster.

 

[AngleEyes]

Netherlands is interesting to check.

They got omi before we did. First cases 19th Nov iirc Their proportion is higher than ours now (this a few days old)
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https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus

Your first illustration is as much use as a chocolate teapot.
It merely show the percentages of the variants of the virus in the countries selected. It has no relevance to the actual numbers.
If there was only one person in a class, and that person was an idiot, the percentage of idiots in that class would be 100%.
Whereas, compared to a class of 100, with the just one idiot, the percentage of idiots would be just 1%.
If you click on the 'relative' box, at the top of the bar chart, it shows the relevance between selected countries, and shows a phenomenal difference in the real picture?

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-cases?country=USA~GBR~DEU~FRA

If I was cynical, I'd suspect this was an attempt by you to intentionally misrepresent the real situation.

Additionally, the data is four days out-of-date.

 

[AngleEyes]

Netherlands is interesting to check.

Their number of cases...
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is falling.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus

Your second illustration, the graph showing number of cases, is also craftily cropped to distort the picture.
The real picture shows that Netherlands number of cases is no where near the number of cases in UK:

So with the intentional misrepresentation with the first illustration, coupled with the misrepresentation with the second illustration, I'm convinced that you are intentionally skewing the diagrams to present UK in an undeservedly better light than is reality.