Omicron variant caught a cold

[Notch7]

You can get treatment for an obsession you know.

But Stupidity is for life

 

[AngleEyes]

We're told that community numbers will be wahae higher.

This part is true, we are told that estimated numbers are double the confirmed cases. But your remaining assumption is pure speculation:

I expect that's true. Once people learn that omicron mostly means just a day or two off groggy, they won't bother to report it, or get themselves into hospital. Unless their employer pays.

We don't yet know how serious this variant is, so your speculation is based on your imagination alone.

 

[motorbiking]

@AngleEyes What you seem to be trying not to understand apart from the population differences, testing differences, sequencing differences and strategy differences, is that both O and D variants are competing in parallel. We do not yet know if O will impact D as D did to the earlier variants. So at the moment we have two pandemics.

Yesterday UK hit nearly 100k, but positive cases per test (uk 4.5%, FR 7%), infection rates per 100k, deaths per million etc etc. are remarkably similar. You seem to want to tag Britain as being some sort of hot spot due to a failed strategy. Hospitals are still stating 80% of admissions are un vaccinated. We also aren't yet seeing an increase in deaths. That is not true for our neighbours.

It's really difficult to make an argument that the UK is being hit worse than any other European country. France's move to restrict British travellers will not reduce their Covid spread or the growth of O. Their other neighbours were reporting O well before the UK.

 

[Notch7]

@AngleEyes What you seem to be trying not to understand apart from the population differences, testing differences, sequencing differences and strategy differences, is that both O and D variants are competing in parallel. We do not yet know if O will impact D as D did to the earlier variants. So at the moment we have two pandemics.

Yesterday UK hit nearly 100k, but positive cases per test (uk 4.5%, FR 7%), infection rates per 100k, deaths per million etc etc. are remarkably similar. You seem to want to tag Britain as being some sort of hot spot due to a failed strategy. Hospitals are still stating 80% of admissions are un vaccinated. We also aren't yet seeing an increase in deaths. That is not true for our neighbours.

It's really difficult to make an argument that the UK is being hit worse than any other European country. France's move to restrict British travellers will not reduce their Covid spread or the growth of O. Their other neighbours were reporting O well before the UK.

I don’t know why case numbers is used as a metric it’s of no value for comparison because the number of tests done varies by each day and each country.

positive case rates, ie number positive per thousand is of far more value.

 

[AngleEyes]

@AngleEyes What you seem to be trying not to understand apart from the population differences, testing differences, sequencing differences and strategy differences, is that both O and D variants are competing in parallel. We do not yet know if O will impact D as D did to the earlier variants. So at the moment we have two pandemics.

Population differences, etc call for different policies. The more densely populated areas call for stricter controls. As far as UK is concerned the greater population density has resulted in looser controls, apathy and inconsistency.

Yesterday UK hit nearly 100k, but positive cases per test (uk 4.5%, FR 7%), infection rates per 100k, deaths per million etc etc. are remarkably similar. You seem to want to tag Britain as being some sort of hot spot due to a failed strategy. Hospitals are still stating 80% of admissions are un vaccinated. We also aren't yet seeing an increase in deaths.

UK is a hotspot, the data shows that.

That is not true for our neighbours.

Any data to support your opinion?

It's really difficult to make an argument that the UK is being hit worse than any other European country.

If that is what the data shows, it's very easy to make that argument.

France's move to restrict British travellers will not reduce their Covid spread or the growth of O.

It will delay it a bit, even a few days will help. Although I would agree it's a little too late to affect it to any great extent.

Their other neighbours were reporting O well before the UK.

You mean Netherlands. That's a neighbour, which is not directly connected to France. You do like to embellish the truth.

New evidence has revealed that the omicron variant of the coronavirus was already present in western Europe well before the first cases were officially identified in southern Africa.

Authorities in the Netherlands said Tuesday that it detected the variant in test samples as early as November 19 -- a full week before the positive cases detected last Friday among passengers who arrived in Amsterdam on a flight from South Africa.
https://www.voanews.com/a/omicron-v...st-identified-in-southern-africa/6333427.html​

 

[AngleEyes]

I don’t know why case numbers is used as a metric it’s of no value for comparison because the number of tests done varies by each day and each country.

positive case rates, ie number positive per thousand is of far more value.

Moreover, if government policy dictate that certain professions or pursuits require regular testing, coupled with the easy availability of tests, will seriously influence the number of tests taken. That doesn't mean that the test results will be accurate either.
I suspect, having done one self administered test, and having had one professionally administered test, that many self-administered tests will be inaccurate.

 

[motorbiking]

Population differences, etc call for different policies. The more densely populated areas call for stricter controls. As far as UK is concerned the greater population density has resulted in looser controls, apathy and inconsistency.


UK is a hotspot, the data shows that.


Any data to support your opinion?



If that is what the data shows, it's very easy to make that argument.


It will delay it a bit, even a few days will help. Although I would agree it's a little too late to affect it to any great extent.


You mean Netherlands. That's a neighbour, which is not directly connected to France. You do like to embellish the truth.

New evidence has revealed that the omicron variant of the coronavirus was already present in western Europe well before the first cases were officially identified in southern Africa.

Authorities in the Netherlands said Tuesday that it detected the variant in test samples as early as November 19 -- a full week before the positive cases detected last Friday among passengers who arrived in Amsterdam on a flight from South Africa.
https://www.voanews.com/a/omicron-v...st-identified-in-southern-africa/6333427.html​

data
France Death rate increasing - UK death rate is declining
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

Positive Rate in Europe, strange how France remains open to countries with 4, 5 and 6 times more positive cases per test. It would strongly suggest that those countries are significantly under testing perhaps?
UK 4.35%
FR 6.7%
ES 8.9%
DE 19.8%
PL 24%
NL 27%

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-testing

UK tested 1.6M yesterday.
Tests per 1k population:

UK 18
FR 11
ES 2.8
DE 2.9
PL 2.3
NL 3.5

Fairly pathetic performance (excluding France perhaps) in mainland Europe, wouldn't you say? head in the sand? don't test = don't find

Part of the problem in France is tests are not universally free. It makes no sense for those most likely to catch it to have to pay to test. A cynic might say, its to get the positive test rate down?
https://www.connexionfrance.com/Fre...France-Who-has-to-pay-from-today-and-how-much

 

[AngleEyes]

data
France Death rate increasing - UK death rate is declining
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

Peaks and troughs occur at different times. Snapshots of increasing or decreasing rates are pointless.

Positive Rate in Europe, strange how France remains open to countries with 4, 5 and 6 times more positive cases per test. It would strongly suggest that those countries are significantly under testing perhaps? UK tested 1.6M yesterday, I don't have the data for other countries.
UK 4.35%
FR 6.7%
ES 8.9%
DE 19.8%
PL 24%
NL 27%

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-testing

My previous comment applies. Countries that require routine testing simply due to the profession or pursuit will result in an unusually high number of tests and a comparatively low number of positive results.

Part of the problem in France is tests are not universally free. It makes no sense for those most likely to catch it to have to pay to test. A cynic might say, its to get the positive test rate down?
https://www.connexionfrance.com/Fre...France-Who-has-to-pay-from-today-and-how-much

Part of the problem is that you are desperately looking for excuses to paint UK policy in a better light than it deserves.
Tests are not universally free in UK.

 

[motorbiking]

No I'm not, I just don't buy the UK "sick man of Europe" tag that EU members like to attach. "Don't look at me look at him" deflection politics.

btw - last time I provide you with evidence. You simply wont admit when you are wrong, so I realise its a waste of time.

 

[AngleEyes]

No I'm not, I just don't buy the UK "sick man of Europe" tag that EU members like to attach. "Don't look at me look at him" deflection politics.

The diversion tactics is exactly what you are doing.

btw - last time I provide you with evidence. You simply wont admit when you are wrong, so I realise its a waste of time.

Please remind me of this occasion.
While you're at it, please find a justifiable argument that if someone is wrong on one issue or occasion, it follows that they must always be wrong.
Every issue, every argument, every occasion is different and requires discussion separate from other unrelated issues.

Additionally, we are frequently discussing interpretations and opinions, not absolute right or wrong definitions of issues.
Therefore I'll take your last comment as that you've run out of interpretations of data to suit your opinion.

 

[motorbiking]

How are you getting on tracking MMSI: 235101095 movements? More trips to French waters this week than brits on a booze cruise, wouldn't you say?

 

[AngleEyes]

How are you getting on tracking MMSI: 235101095 movements? More trips to French waters this week than brits on a booze cruise, wouldn't you say?

I repeat what I said earlier, lifeboats are not only allowed to operate in other country's waters to effect a rescue, they are legally obliged to do so.
Proof that a lifeboat enters international water, or the waters of another country proves zilch.
But your reference to a lifeboat shows the current position of that lifeboat to be stationary and ready for launch.
It proves only that the lifeboat is ready for operation.
Got any more useless bits of information?

 

[Notch7]

Fairly pathetic performance (excluding France perhaps) in mainland Europe, wouldn't you say? head in the sand? don't test = don't find

Part of the problem in France is tests are not universally free. It makes no sense for those most likely to catch it to have to pay to test. A cynic might say, its to get the positive test rate down

UK is only doing such huge scale testing because the private labs are a handy way for Tory MOs and their mates to siphon money from taxation into private healthcare.

Owen Paterson basically got paid £500k indirectly from tax payers, via Randox.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Many names sound the same, so what? What point are you trying to make?

...that they are similar in another way.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Naughty Notch!

How many times do I have to tell you: context is everything. For these numbers to make sense in relation to each other you must give them as a percentage of all people tested in each country.

Notch I'm waiting for your answer. I'd be particularly interested in "Czechia" with its 5 cases or Ireland with its 6. Do these countries have the same widespread testing that we have, with testing pantechnicons in every supermarket and sports centre car park consuming billions of public money?