Part P Figures Dec 2005

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27,202 businesses were registered with all schemes as at Dec 2005

Of these 18,909 were NICEIC around 70% (nice for them)

705,774 building notifications had been issued to LABC of which 574,781 came via the nic

In November 2005 there were a further 31,144 registration applications in the system that are not included in the above figures.

Figures from the Electrical Contractor News.

 

[ebee]

How many of these were existing NICEIC approved contractors who converted free of charge?

If we don`t know that then we can`t really see how many of us unregistered became registered (also how well/badly the NIC is doing)

Also a scheme by scheme to see the balance of power

 

[Pensdown]

Sorry ebee, the purpose of the post was nothing to do the NIC, I was just surprised how many notifications there were in the first year, around 13,000/week!

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I wish I could find the figures now - I don't know about the notifications, but I saw a different set of registration numbers toward the end of last year, which firmly indicated that the whole thing was a massive failure.

I must admit I find the notion of 27,202 businesses registered and another 31,144 registration applications in the pipeline somewhat hard to believe, given that there are only about 60,000 electrical businesses in the UK. I wonder if the message (which will be an interesting one for JP to get) is that if you choose a Domestic Installer you almost certainly are not getting a "proper" electrician?

Another interesting point to note - assuming a (IMHO reasonable) target of processing the applications within 3 months, that's a full-time job for around 300 inspectors...

 

[dingbat]

I wonder if the message (which will be an interesting one for JP to get) is that if you choose a Domestic Installer you almost certainly are not getting a "proper" electrician?

That's an unusually sweeping statement for you, b-a-s. As you are well aware, all the schemes are able to offer reduced scope memberships, aimed at trades with an electrical requirement. To qualify you have to have certain qualifications and pass an appropriate assessment.

The term Domestic Installer was adopted by the NICEIC for all companies/individuals who are eligible to self-certify their work as compliant with the Building Regs. The great majority of Approved Contractors are also Domestic Installers, but a lot of 'proper' electricians have also signed up solely as DIs. For many this is enough as all their work is domestic, while others (like myself) have used this as a two-stage route to full approved status.

Of course there will be some who abuse their defined scope status to get work that is beyond their assessed competence, and there will be others who have fast-tracked their qualifications, but your statement is based less in fact than in your own personal anti-NIC bias.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

That's an unusually sweeping statement for you, b-a-s.

Guess I should have put a on it.

As you are well aware, all the schemes are able to offer reduced scope memberships, aimed at trades with an electrical requirement. To qualify you have to have certain qualifications and pass an appropriate assessment.

I wasn't really thinking about the reduced scope people.

The term Domestic Installer was adopted by the NICEIC for all companies/individuals who are eligible to self-certify their work as compliant with the Building Regs. The great majority of Approved Contractors are also Domestic Installers, but a lot of 'proper' electricians have also signed up solely as DIs.

And so have a lot of people who meet the requirement of having the EAL Level 2 VRQ for Domestic Installers, which you can get in a 5-day training course.

Of course there will be some who abuse their defined scope status to get work that is beyond their assessed competence,

I wasn't really thinking about the reduced scope people.

and there will be others who have fast-tracked their qualifications,

If by "fast-tracked" you mean "attended a 5 day training course" then I agree.

but your statement is based less in fact than in your own personal anti-NIC bias.

And who was it who invented the 5-day EAL Level 2 VRQ for Domestic Installers qualification?

It wasn't really anti-NIC bas, because to be fair, the 5-day wonder scheme wasn't purely NICEIC - it was jointly with the ECA, and AFAIK all the schemes except NAPIT have jumped on the bandwagon.

 

[Pensdown]

People can tar the NIC and Corgi with the same brush but if you work in the commercial sector without NIC you ain't got a chance of getting work

[quote"BAS"]Another interesting point to note - assuming a (IMHO reasonable) target of processing the applications within 3 months, that's a full-time job for around 300 inspectors...[/quote]

I hadn't thought of that. I wonder who will end up paying for them? I do hope its funded from the DIY sector

 

[comms]

Corgi are trying to play catch up in the part P schemes & are starting their scheme open to all as of next month.
Just thought it might be of interest to someone.
Found the following links on screw fix.

http://www.screwfix.com/talk/thread.jspa?threadID=30852&tstart=120

http://www.corgi-group.com/competent/logos.asp

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I hadn't thought of that. I wonder who will end up paying for them?

The people joining. I sonder how many "fail" their first assessment and have to pay again....?

I do hope its funded from the DIY sector

That's not very nice....