Does anyone remember this? Oh No Russia...
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Covid...Ukraine...Russia...
It's all just journalism.
It's all just journalism.
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Brexit, anyone? We're not finished with that b*ll*x, yet, you know...
Well, yeah, in the sense that its reporting on events that are in the public interest.
You don't think the misuse of public funds regarding PPE and the flagrant breaches of lockdown laws is worthy of our concern?
Carrying suitcases of booze into #10?
Russian money; influencing the Brexit referendum; supporting a corrupt government?
The list is long and i just don't have the time this a.m to go through it all.
Sure, it's "just journalism".
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Nearly all journalism, TV reporting etc nowadays is sensational, selective and biased, and is in the journalist's, rather than the public's, interest. Do you really know what's going on in Ukraine? Why are we only hearing one side? The politics and history of that area are extremely complicated. Are the Russians totally evil? Are the Ukrainians completely innocent?
Ukraine is a sovereign, democratic country that’s been invaded for no good reason by an aggressor.
what else do you need to know
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Are you not aware that it's because Russia has completely shut down reporting of the war other than what the Kremlin tells the press they can publish? Don't you realise that the Duma enacted a law yesterday which made publishing "fake" news about the "peacekeeping" role of their army punishable by 15 years in jail? That's designed to crush freedom of the press.
QUOTE="andy11, post: 5179720, member: 18243"]Are the Russians totally evil? Are the Ukrainians completely innocent?[/QUOTE]
No and no, but the behaviour of the Russians is demonstrably criminal - starting with the military invasion of another country without a declaration of war. No sane or moral person can defend their actions
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What is more is that it's been invaded by one of the guarantors to its sovereign and territorial integrity, i.e. Russia.
The Budapest Memorandum, signed by UK, USA and Russia in 1994, when Ukraine gave up its nuclear arsenal, was supposed to guarantee that sovereign integrity by all signatories.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances
According to the memorandum,[22] Russia, the US and the UK confirmed their recognition of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine becoming parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and effectively abandoning their nuclear arsenal to Russia and that they agreed to the following:
All three signatories are abdicating their responsibilities to Ukraine.According to the memorandum,[22] Russia, the US and the UK confirmed their recognition of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine becoming parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and effectively abandoning their nuclear arsenal to Russia and that they agreed to the following:
- Respect Belarusian, Kazakh and Ukrainian independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.[23]
- Refrain from the threat or the use of force against Belarus, Kazakhstan or Ukraine.
- Refrain from using economic pressure on Belarus, Kazakhstan or Ukraine to influence their politics.
- Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to Belarus, Kazakhstan or Ukraine if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".
- Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against Belarus, Kazakhstan or Ukraine.
- Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitments.[19]
It doesn't bode well if any other countries were thinking about giving up their nuclear arsenal in exchange for 'guarantees' of sovereign integrity.
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I am aware: my awareness has been raised; to all these points you raise my awareness has been appraised of these matters to a limited degree. No kore or less than anyone else these days. More than some, less than others, i suppose.
There's good and bad on both sides of any story and it's up to the individual to use his or her own judgement. We can do this according to the extent of our own education and upbringing, try to filter out the white noise while making sure our own bias doesn't cloud the issues.
No, it isn't easy and we must all do our best to not spread disinformation/fake news according to political prejudice.
But i think most people have come to the conclusion that Boris bloody Johnson is an empty suit, wearing the mask of a clown with the selfish heart of a narcissist.
"Almost the only people who people who think Boris Johnson is a nice guy are those who do not know him."
I was Boris Johnson’s boss: he is utterly unfit to be prime minister | Max Hastings | The Guardian
Andy11 believes Trump won the election.
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Exactly, because non-proliferation guarantees are proven to be worthless.
They were worthless to Ukraine in 2014, and four times Ukraine has sought discussion about the 1994 Budapest memorandum and four times USA and UK have abdicated their responsibility, along with Russia's aggression.
On the other hand, evidently nuclear capability is no deterrent, UK and USA clearly have that nuclear deterrent but Russia has thumbed its nose at such deterrent, and threatened use of nuclear weapons.
Then he should read this:
Republicans once called government the problem – now they want to run your life | Robert Reich | The Guardian
OR THIS:
The true meaning of 6 January: we must answer Trump’s neofascism with hope | Robert Reich | The Guardian
and especially this:
‘Key to white survival’: how Putin has morphed into a far-right savior | CPAC | The Guardian
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Yeah, we know, lost in the mire of Crimea
Who would expect Pootin to respect Yeltsin.
Budapest was a farce - what would be the point of referring to the UN when R has a veto? And who would seriously go to war over Crimea, etc etc.
Politicians of all hues change their mind.
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