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Petrol and diesel car sales ban brought forward to 2035

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by JP_, 4 Feb 2020.

  1. charliegolf

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    There is often put the argument, "What can a nation of 60M do?" Well, BMW, Merc, Audi and VW will not want a lucrative market to close, so one assumes they will service the electric car market in UK with vigour, as will GM from the US and all the others. So as well as 'getting it done' (see what I did there?), we cajole others to get it done too. We need more efficient, cheaper batteries? China and the others will want theirs to be cheapest and most efficient. It's a start.
     
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  3. JP_

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    But is full electric better for the global environment than hybrid, if you are still burning fossil fuels to generate electricity?
    I think we had this discussion before ... memory failing.
     
  4. JohnD

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    Look on the bright side, it's just popular words from a politician.

    He'll be long gone.

    I'm sure he'd die in a ditch rather than U-turn.
     
  5. securespark

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    Even the cheap ones are £30K +....
     
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    and 3 star;) Diesel was called DERV
     
  7. Tigercubrider

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    If only we were part of a large trading organisation with the power of 445 million people........
     
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    Plenty of used Nissan leafs for under 5k. My point about the Tesla is it’s M3, AMG, RS performance for the same cash.

    It’s true that the early model Ss are holding their value but the new prices which are significantly lower will soon ripple down.

    3 years ago p100d was over 130k. Now it’s around 50k less.
     
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    Do these electric cars have speed limiters ? With the tesla 3p doing 0-62 in 3.2ish seconds, how can you stick to a 20MPH speed limit in built up areas ? Most electric cars have rapid acceleration, so keeping speed down could be an issue.
     
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    Id forgotten sbout Derv (y)

    Of course back then almost nobody put diesel in a car
     
  12. Cos half the fekin world's population is mental...160mph.60mph in 3seconds...Silent apart from a bit of tyre noise....What could Possiblyyy go wrong
     
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    Firstly, they are not suggesting it will be only electric cars on sale, but also hybrids.

    Secondly, this will be a good thing overall, as more electric cars means cleaner air, and less carbon emission when you don't burn coal for electricity

    Electricity is getting cleaner even now. We hardly burn any coal in the UK now*, and by 2030, will be more so. Electric cars will eventually add about 5GW to the demand on the grid, but I doubt we'll see that increase by 2030, as there will still be many ICEs still on the road.

    There will still be plenty of people filling up at petrol stations, as many people do not have drives, and so going fully electric is not feasible.

    Two good articles about how green electric cars are:
    https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-how-electric-vehicles-help-to-tackle-climate-change
    https://www.volkswagenag.com/en/news/stories/2019/04/from-the-well-to-the-wheel.html

    * - We'll ignore the coal mine that's just been approved in Cumbria, as this is for coke for steel.
     
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    Nope

    "A ban on selling new petrol, diesel or hybrid cars in the UK will be brought forward from 2040 to 2035 at the latest, under government plans."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51366123
     
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    i will be 92 then and i guess my 1.4Tdi skoda fabia will be scrapped...

    if i did change car now i wouldnt go electric...hybrid sounds more sensible with some input to cleaning up fuels...the aircraft industry is doing it
    dont really want to be stranded or queue up for a charge in some supermarket car park

    i would stay out of cities though...
     
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    Yes they are easy to drive slowly as are most cars with 300+Bhp or motorbike with 130+ etc

    20 years ago 0-60 in 6s was insane and 150 was stupid.
     
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    Depending on how you use your car, hybrid is not necessarily a good choice.
    We went over to hybrid for much of our fleet some years ago. Queue a lot of complaints about awful fuel economy.
    Basically, our guys do a lot of motorway miles, which don't suit the small petrol engines in the hybrids. We'd have been better off (double the fuel economy) sticking with diesel.
     
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