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[denso13]

Make sure fitted well seems there have been problems

Yea, even for the "professionals",

 

[ebee]

professionals

Yet sometimes those pros trouble me with their modern practices, older practices were not all just more expensive, sometimes they were better in other ways, example more robust.

A short course includes the "correct way" to clip cables in the telecommunication field is just one example and the resiliance or loss of such by the change from copper wires to the telephone exchange to fibre optics - this one is in the news today, a bit bloody late in my opinion.

Is anyone else concerned about some modern practices of living life today compared to 10, 20, 30 years ago? has lliving life in general become more difficult due to the "nature of uninteded consequences" ? Lack of managers having any common sense?

Or am I abnormal?

 

[SUNRAY]

Yet sometimes those pros trouble me with their modern practices, older practices were not all just more expensive, sometimes they were better in other ways, example more robust.

A short course includes the "correct way" to clip cables in the telecommunication field is just one example and the resiliance or loss of such by the change from copper wires to the telephone exchange to fibre optics - this one is in the news today, a bit bloody late in my opinion.

I mooted this very quickly in other forums and TBH many thousands of RA's have effectively been scrapped regarding emergencies and calling for assistance

Is anyone else concerned about some modern practices of living life today compared to 10, 20, 30 years ago? has lliving life in general become more difficult due to the "nature of uninteded consequences" ? Lack of managers having any common sense?

Or am I abnormal?

No I think you are totally correct, having been in BT for 22 years I learnt 'the right way' to do things.

Other things such as standing charge on utilities supplies, many years ago the rule was it could not be more expensive than the energy supplied, which I found when I was renovating a house an literally removed every pipe and cable, leaving just one DSSO for temp lights and tools and one temp outside water tap. I paid the first 2 quarters estimated bills with a view to 'getting ahead'. Then the gas reader cometh and I actually took the meter to the front door for him to read, he read it and I'd used just 2 units, he then insisted on seeing the installation which was a capped incoming feed. He explained how much I'd save by getting my money back rather than leaving it as the estimated - seeing the ammended account as 32p looked very strange. A similar thing happened with the tizzy but of course I was using a fair bit of that.

One example that really grates on me is SKY installations with cables randomly thrown over roofs, 3 cable ties down a drain pipe, laid in gutters etc. Half a wrap of SA tape which dries out and breaks up.

 

[ebee]

Life is not what it used to be!

(then again, it never was!)

 

[denso13]

Life is not what it used to be!

(then again, it never was!)

Ain't that the truth. I found myself explaining to my daughter, just the other day, about the cold winters and hot summers we used to get back in the day.

I did apologise beforehand though ...

 

[ebee]

No I think you are totally correct, having been in BT for 22 years I learnt 'the right way' to do things.

Nice one Sunray.
Just to add a little, before becomming BT it was post office telephones, some ways their mindset was even more draconian, some of their engineers saw themselves as the only persons able to touch, look at and understand telephones and landlines. As no one else could ever be qualified enough to understand things that they did.
When things changed and I came to install an intruder alarm telephone dialler for the phone line the engineer who was present as I was installing the alarm system itself and I mentioned the dialler he insisted that I was not allowed under pain of death after having my limbs and head removed etc etc (well that sort of pedantic tone) merely because I suggest that he might like to leave the connection box in place to aid him and me for dialler connection, he was changing it to the modern type BT socket for plugging in to a modern telephone handset (previously they were all hard wired into said junction box).

There he was insisting I had no right to connect it, I would be prosecuted etc etc. Even though I replied that I was using approved type tested equipment and sent in prior request certificate and had recieved confirmation they would attend next Thursday morning. He still insisted I was not allowed to.

That next thursday morning I turned up and there was the engineer on site putting a junction box near where to the old one had been taken out the previous week.

Guess what? It was the same fellow and he never said a word, he would not look me in the eye.

Heh heh heh.

 

[SUNRAY]

Nice one Sunray.
Just to add a little, before becomming BT it was post office telephones, some ways their mindset was even more draconian, some of their engineers saw themselves as the only persons able to touch, look at and understand telephones and landlines. As no one else could ever be qualified enough to understand things that they did.
When things changed and I came to install an intruder alarm telephone dialler for the phone line the engineer who was present as I was installing the alarm system itself and I mentioned the dialler he insisted that I was not allowed under pain of death after having my limbs and head removed etc etc (well that sort of pedantic tone) merely because I suggest that he might like to leave the connection box in place to aid him and me for dialler connection, he was changing it to the modern type BT socket for plugging in to a modern telephone handset (previously they were all hard wired into said junction box).

There he was insisting I had no right to connect it, I would be prosecuted etc etc. Even though I replied that I was using approved type tested equipment and sent in prior request certificate and had recieved confirmation they would attend next Thursday morning. He still insisted I was not allowed to.

That next thursday morning I turned up and there was the engineer on site putting a junction box near where to the old one had been taken out the previous week.

Guess what? It was the same fellow and he never said a word, he would not look me in the eye.

Heh heh heh.

Well technically they were correct, the whole installation belonged to PO/BT and yada yada yada.

I created an interface between a Merlin private Branch Exchange and a PA system as no such device existed that worked on that system, actually it was part of a circuit lifted directly from an exchange relay set which I built in a very official looking enclosure and yes I did connect it to to the appropriate junction box provided for the purpose, just like you did. Then I asked for a clone to be tested for type approval... I was given an estimate what it would cost me to get it through that process, which I politely declined. For some strange reason I started getting phone calls from across the country asking for advice which I had to decline

 

[ebee]

Well technically they were correct, the whole installation belonged to PO/BT and yada yada yada.

My understanding was that the GOV by laws and/or rules allowed it under limited conditions which include type approvals and following all the instructions including how they connected 12v sources to the mains supply feeding the unit etc etc, it was quite strict and the telephone companies had to be notified by way of the signed certificate staing the actual unit and type approval and then they would supply a junction box for said installer to connect to for that one and only device.

 

[SUNRAY]

My understanding was that the GOV by laws and/or rules allowed it under limited conditions which include type approvals and following all the instructions including how they connected 12v sources to the mains supply feeding the unit etc etc, it was quite strict and the telephone companies had to be notified by way of the signed certificate staing the actual unit and type approval and then they would supply a junction box for said installer to connect to for that one and only device.

Yes exactly that but not sure about the gov bylaws. Any non PO kit had to be type approved and a demarcation point provided by PO, depending on the product to be fitted that would usually be a BT52 or some terminating unit incorporating a removable 2 pole link.