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Indeed...And price
"The NDA acknowledges that it still does not have full understanding of the condition of the 17 sites across its estate, including the 10 former Magnox power stations. According to its most recent estimates it will cost current and future generations of UK taxpayers £132 billion to decommission the UK’s civil nuclear sites, and the work will not be completed for another 120 years"
wobs seems to think that "the opposition to nuclear power is based upon fear"...
But as with many events, 'project fear' often turns out to be a reality!
Anyone up for a picnic at Chernobyl?
I'm astounded how you can manage to introduce a tirade against immigrants in a thread about energy prices.
You're spouting the same nonsense you've previously spouted in other threads.
Are you obsessed with blaming immigrants for all the worlds' problems.
And you have the audacity to ask this of another poster:
You not only believe all the government propaganda about immigrants, you even manage to twist the government's official statistics to suit your hate-filled tirade against them.
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Blame Notch, he brought the muslims onto this thread.
He didn't use the opportunity to post a persistent anti-immigrant message, based on your misguided interpretations of official statistics.
You however appear to be obsessed with posting such messages at any and every opportunity, complete with twisting any old statistics to supposedly support your ideology.
They were built before the idea of decommissioning was considered. And that price is a bargain given how much energy they have produced.
You just proved my point. Chernobyl was a flawed design, which was known long before it blew up. Fukushima was also known to be an outdated design.
And even considering Chernobyl, rooftop solar is more deadly than nuclear:
Deaths per TWH by energy source | NextBigFuture.com
I wrote this back in 2008 and with one new death that is somewhat nuclear energy related (a death at one of the japanese nuclear plants following the 8.9
www.nextbigfuture.com
Coal – world average 161 (26% of world energy, 50% of electricity)
Coal – China 278
Coal – USA 15
Oil 36 (36% of world energy)
Natural Gas 4 (21% of world energy)
Biofuel/Biomass 12
Peat 12
Solar (rooftop) 0.44 (less than 0.1% of world energy)
Wind 0.15 (less than 1% of world energy)
Hydro 0.10 (europe death rate, 2.2% of world energy)
Hydro - world including Banqiao) 1.4 (about 2500 TWh/yr and 171,000 Banqiao dead)
Nuclear 0.04 (5.9% of world energy)
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Starmer's latest - and pretty late they are, suggestions seem to be sensible but pitiably lightweight considering the weight of the problem.
WIll someone please stand up and say
1) (As mentioned above) the "Cap" is not a cap on the bill, it's a cap on the rates
2) Governments do not have money, it's all just OUR money. "They" can't just pay for it.
3) Grabbing energy companies' profits would only partly reduce the bills - the gas etc still costs more on the world market
4) This is not just a blip - prices may not stop going up for a while, and not come down again soon, if ever.
5) Some actual costs - educate people about power usage of lights, cooking, a 2kW heater, a microwave, a gas ring simmering for 15 mins or an oven set to 180° for 30 mins, etc. People are scared because they don't know.
WIll someone please stand up and say
1) (As mentioned above) the "Cap" is not a cap on the bill, it's a cap on the rates
2) Governments do not have money, it's all just OUR money. "They" can't just pay for it.
3) Grabbing energy companies' profits would only partly reduce the bills - the gas etc still costs more on the world market
4) This is not just a blip - prices may not stop going up for a while, and not come down again soon, if ever.
5) Some actual costs - educate people about power usage of lights, cooking, a 2kW heater, a microwave, a gas ring simmering for 15 mins or an oven set to 180° for 30 mins, etc. People are scared because they don't know.
not compared to Tory offerings
You're either very stupid, or...
Very stupid!
The realisation of the waste product of nuclear power was known ever since the atom was split!
And as for cost, it was a boast at the time the first nuclear power station came on line in the UK that,'energy will be so cheap we won't have to meter it'...
What happened to that boast?
Back to school for you, and best you dust off that dunce's hat of yours
You stated the cost of decommissioning, not disposal of nuclear waste.You're either very stupid, or...
Very stupid!
The realisation of the waste product of nuclear power was known ever since the atom was split!
And as for cost, it was a boast at the time the first nuclear power station came on line in the UK that,'energy will be so cheap we won't have to meter it'...
What happened to that boast?
Back to school for you, and best you dust off that dunce's hat of yours
That quote regarding too cheap to meter was regarding fusion.
Even if it was for fission, it doesn't change the situation we are in now, and bringing such things up only demonstrates people trying mud sling. We are on a situation where we need a low carbon baseload supply, and nuclear is the safest way to go for that.
If you want to go all in with solar and wind, your costs will also rise, as you need uneconomic quantities of storage, and more inter-connectors to Europe. And it will be less safe than nuclear.
mottie claims that such people had the power to prevent johnson making a success of the brexit omnishambles.
Well if they'd all got off their lazy arses during the referendum or the GE they might have done but no, too lazy and too cocksure of themselves. All they can do now is whinge and whine how unfair it all is. Tough.
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