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The house I'm rewiring at the moment is a post-war prefab. It is built around a steel framework, with steel 'I' section joists spaced at three feet intervals with 1" wide timber joists running at ninety degrees to them. That's right, the steel runs in the same direction as the floorboards, so there is no clear run between timber joists. At the ground floor ceiling the steel joists have timber packing screwed to their undersides to which are tacked the fibreboard ceilings (the owner is not replacing them!!). As the timber joists that support the floorboards are slightly deeper than the steel joists there is a space between steel and floorboard of around a quarter-inch. Guess where all the existing cable and pipework runs?. Yup. between the top flange of the steel and the floorboards. In some cases the cables and pipes are actually supporting the boards. Where necessary, boards are chopped out to about a third of their depth to accommodate pipes. Some cables actually run along the top of steel beams for a full room-width run of a single floorboard.

Well, not any more they don't. All the old stuff has gone - about fifteen junction boxes in the lighting circuit - along with all the previous old stuff left in place at the last rewire. The new (brown and blue - wayhey!) cable has been laboriously routed safely out of reach, but what a pain.

When we showed the owner the extent of the bad practice he shrugged and said it must have been okay, because the council had done it... and they always do a proper job, don't they? Even when we showed him cable that had chafed right through sheathing and insulation to bare conductor by the action of walking on the springy board above, he seemed unconcerned that his entire house frame may have become live. (no earthing of steelwork either.)

Just thought I'd like to share the experience.
 
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its a typical reply from some one who does not either

A) want to know

b) care
 
How much of this was original and how much was old rewire? I.e. was the house built with the cables and pipework supporting the floor, or was this some monkey since then?

I reckon that domestic wiring spontaneously converts into a bodge job after 20 years or so. I don't think I have seen a single house of 1940s-1950s vintage that doesn't seem scary when you look at the CU/sockets/cables in the loft. Dingbat, in 2029 when the house gets rewired again, the spark doing it will find that your carefully placed cables will have climbed in between the joists and floorboards again! But it's ok, by then he will be installing warp plasma conduits (in blue and brown, of course ;) ) to recharge the flying electric car.
 
Hope you're going to bond all those RSJ's..... :LOL:

Seriously, I did a nine storey office block in Leeds in late 80's, and before YEB would connect up, they wanted every single piece of suspended ceiling grid on all floors bonded. Two fingers to that...........
 
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There was a timber shortage in the late 1940's just after the war finished. I've seen a house constructed during that era with railway lines for joists!
 
AdamW said:
How much of this was original and how much was old rewire? I.e. was the house built with the cables and pipework supporting the floor, or was this some monkey since then?

The original singles were run horizontally between the asbestos cladding and the insulation behind the internal wall skins The 'supporting' cables were in early PVC and the pipework was for central heating - all done between 20 and 30 years ago at a guess. Wiring was limited to a single ring, a now redundant cooker circuit and a single lighting circuit. As from tomorrow all this will be a thing of the past and everything will be up to spec and lovely.

...except for the hardboard walls and ceilings, the fibreboard partitions, the asbestos roof and cladding, the kitchen, the bathroom, the doors and windows... It's been a long week so far, but at least my work is nearly done - the owner has a long, long way to go!
 
You've been working with large amounts of asbestos cladding??

I don't know anyone who would do that, they'd recommend a specialist firm to remove it...
 
I haven't touched the stuff. No drilling through it, sawing or any other method of liberating dust. I may be a dingbat but I ain't completely stupid! :p (The owner is arranging to have it removed at some stage)
 
Get that "Boxster" guy who posted here for a week about asbestos removal. If I recall he charges a million billion pounds for it so I am sure he wouldn't mind a 10% finder's fee ;)
 
These properties are ex-local authority houses, but renovations had been postponed in recent years as more tenants exercised their rights to buy. New owners have been slowly renovating their homes, but in the meantime the council have upgraded all those which are still in their hands. Result? Council properties now stand out a mile. Not because they are the scruffy ones but because they have been re-roofed, re-fenestrated and re-clad. Meanwhile the owners (now the majority) are spending their cash on kitchens, bathrooms and fancy light fittings and ignoring the asbestos problem due largely to cost. Makes you think, eh?
 

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