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[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

But how do e know that this site is a credible source of information... Anyone can make a website and say anything they wish

You are expected to use your intelligence, your judgement, to decide.

Ahhh, I see your problem!
Well you will have to ask someone you can trust, someone you can rely on to be truthful, like trans.......

 

[empip]

See page 17
https://www.kent.ac.uk/economics/do...economics of arms trade and arms control.pptx

Top 5 recipients of major conventional weapons and their largest suppliers, 2003-2008
1) China
2) India
3) UAE
4) South Korea
5) Greece

Greece was in 3rd place 1999 - 2003
Both were - ' a while back'

Fear of the Turk and a good splash of fiddling - no doubt... Funny how much matériel came from Germany, the Kraut, later, said the Greek was prolifigate in it's spending.

Just saying... !

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[Brigadier]

There has been development in underwater submarine drones that with the pace of development mean that Trident effectiveness to remain undetected will be severely curtailed.

They haven't found that airliner after years of searching (without the distraction of being at war to put them off either), so I doubt a sub will be that easy to find.
The ocean is a big old place......

 

[SirGalahad]

They haven't found that airliner after years of searching (without the distraction of being at war to put them off either), so I doubt a sub will be that easy to find.
The ocean is a big old place......

http://www.alphr.com/the-future/1003587/the-submarine-drones-that-could-depower-trident

Your looking for different objects - one is at the bottom of an ocean the other has an active signal and is moving around. Though as I said, this is something that will improve in the future - the use of drones as its cheaper than having manned vessels.

 

[EFLImpudence]

underwater submarine

That's the best kind.

 

[JohnD]

Funny how much matériel came from Germany, the Kraut, later, said the Greek was prolifigate in it's spending.

After the apparent but temporary collapse of the Soviet Union around 1990, the Cold War seemed to have ended and Germany found itself with a large army and a great deal of redundant equipment.

They sold off large numbers of Leopard 2 tanks, then one of the finest, near scrap metal prices. Greece bought hundreds.

Less desirable hardware was piled up for the melt.

Everybody else was doing it too.

 

[Corgigrouch GTi]

After the apparent but temporary collapse of the Soviet Union around 1990, the Cold War seemed to have ended and Germany found itself with a large army and a great deal of redundant equipment.

They sold off large numbers of Leopard 2 tanks, then one of the finest, near scrap metal prices. Greece bought hundreds.

Less desirable hardware was piled up for the melt.

Everybody else was doing it too.

Yep and Greece did indeed buy a few of these cold war relics but the bulk of the inventory was ordered new, their L2 2A4 and 2A6 variants were made well after the end of the cold war... EU lends Greece lots of lovely cheap cash and encourages Greece to buy nice shiney new Tanks from Germany and then gets upset when Greece can't pay it back.....What's the EU going to do? Invade?

 

[JohnD]

a few

a few hundred.

And at the time they were fairly modern. Just a NATO country upgrading at bargain basement prices.

I don't know what a brand new MBT costs now. I believe the UK currently has about 200 in working order. Obviously not expecting a war anytime soon.

 

[Corgigrouch GTi]

a few hundred.

And at the time they were fairly modern. Just a NATO country upgrading at bargain basement prices.

I don't know what a brand new MBT costs now. I believe the UK currently has about 200 in working order. Obviously not expecting a war anytime soon.

Pre cold war equipment is obsolete and would be just a sitting duck, lets not forget just how many modern tanks Greece actually has, sitting and rusting... The Challenger2 will soon be recieving a comprehensive upgrade to keep it effective against the Armata till 2030 but let's remember that we are an Island and need very few tanks to defend the UK, far better to invest is the Royal Navy and the RAF... It would be a different matter if we intended to invade anywhere on our own and I doubt that we will be part of the EU Army

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

See page 17
https://www.kent.ac.uk/economics/documents/GES Background Documents/Defence/Session Slides - The economics of arms trade and arms control.pptx

Top 5 recipients of major conventional weapons and their largest suppliers, 2003-2008
1) China
2) India
3) UAE
4) South Korea
5) Greece

Greece was in 3rd place 1999 - 2003
Both were - ' a while back'

Fear of the Turk and a good splash of fiddling - no doubt... Funny how much matériel came from Germany, the Kraut, later, said the Greek was prolifigate in it's spending.

Just saying... !

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An excellent case of selective data. The information that you have quoted is contained in microsoft power point presentation, which I assume was extracted from the sipri databases. However, there is a problem with sipri's terms of measurement:

SIPRI has developed a unique pricing system to measure the volume of deliveries of major conventional weapons and components using a common unit— the SIPRI trend-indicator value (TIV). The TIV of an item being delivered is intended to reflect its military capability rather than its financial value.

https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/156913/SIPRIFS1212.pdf

Furthermore, the data set, on which the opinion was founded is also a case of selective data.
If you take the following 5 year period (2003 to 2008 is a strange data period) 2008 to 2013 Greece is in about 15th place. http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/html/export_values.php
In fact, if you take a different period there is a time when Singapore eek exceeds Greece in arms imports (according to sipri's TIV.)

There are other measures, but they in no way, place Greece in such high order for arms expenditure. https://www.sipri.org/databases/milex

Details which **** end completely ignored in his comment about Greece's expenditure. So his comment still deserves its place in his own 'catalogue of lies'.

 

[Corgigrouch GTi]

An excellent case of selective data. The information that you have quoted is contained in microsoft power point presentation, which I assume was extracted from the sipri databases. However, there is a problem with sipri's terms of measurement:
https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/156913/SIPRIFS1212.pdf

Furthermore, the data set, on which the opinion was founded is also a case of selective data.
If you take the following 5 year period (2003 to 2008 is a strange data period) 2008 to 2013 Greece is in about 15th place. http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/html/export_values.php
In fact, if you take a different period there is a time when Singapore eek exceeds Greece in arms imports (according to sipri's TIV.)

There are other measures, but they in no way, place Greece in such high order for arms expenditure. https://www.sipri.org/databases/milex

Details which **** end completely ignored in his comment about Greece's expenditure. So his comment still deserves its place in his own 'catalogue of lies'.

Every post you make is based on selective data.. fact is Greece has almost three times as many tanks as Germany and more debt than it knows what to do with and no real chance of paying it off... So without the need for all of your hogwash, it is reasonably clear that they are up the creek without a paddle.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

fact is Greece has almost three times as many thanks as Germany

Are they giving DIY advice here?

Another example of selective data, country A has more than country B (unsaid: but less than country C. D. E F, etc.)

"hogwash" you say! And little else besides.

 

[Corgigrouch GTi]

The UK in the other hand does have massive debts but also has the means to service those debts and also the financial flexibility to reduce those debts at the press of a computer key.. the UK also has a good manufacturing base and the skills needed (just) to build its own defense systems so whatever cash is spent on wages goes to British workers.... Who oddly enough pay tax back to the Exchequer..

 

[Corgigrouch GTi]

Are they giving DIY advice here?

"hogwash" you say! And little else besides.

Aye, when your argument relies on typos... Now corrected.

They seem to give more DIY advice than you do.. whoever "they" are.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

The UK in the other hand does have massive debts but also has the means to service those debts and also the financial flexibility to reduce those debts at the press of a computer key.. the UK also has a good manufacturing base and the skills needed (just) to build its own defense systems so whatever cash is spent on wages goes to British workers.... Who oddly enough pay tax back to the Exchequer..

I think you have posted in the wrong thread.

Aye, when your argument relies on typos... Now corrected.

It was not my argument, it was a bit of ridicule.
You know, "banter", if you can't take it, etc.
Your arguments are non-existent so there is nothing to argue against.