Quote for new boiler

[simond]

My point was David, they messed it up and you had to resort to this forum to get it resolved. There is an idelible record on this server with your postings on the subject.

And they could not register the warranty or benchmark GWN it with the controls not working because it would not meet regs.

And what if you had not availed yourself of our free knowledge? How quickly would your Worcester installers have sorted it out? Would they ever have done so?

I am a Vaillant and a Worcester accredited installer (as well as some other leading brands, in common with many other pros here) and lack of product knowledge is a real problem.

You wouldn't be feeling so clever now if you had needed to pull a £2000 tiled floor up to get the extra controls wiring in after the mistake, would you?

I can tell you, I wouldn't use your installer. If they didn't know, any responsible installer would have done the research before they took the job on, not bodged it and left their hapless customer to resort to free altruistic professional resources on the internet.

 

[Agile]

the salesman who surveyed the property done all the heat loss calculations, measured flow rates and recognized our high hot water demand. quote]

That is why I do not normally make free visits for the purpose of giving quotes.

There is considerable work doing all this and many just want a specification and a starting price to hawk about to find somebody to undercut it.

If somebody already has a specification and a quote then we will evaluate it and give our quote!

Instead, I ask a lot of questions and then give a budgetary quotation over the telephone. If that is acceptable then I go and confirm the figure with a site visit.

Tony

 

[htgeng]

That is why I do not normally make free visits for the purpose of giving quotes.

There is considerable work doing all this and many just want a specification and a starting price to hawk about to find somebody to undercut it.
Tony

Thats always the case and its impossible to get a true feel when people are doing that. Its a cultural thing with some people to always barter down the price.

I was commenting on another forum that I had quoted for a job a couple of years ago for quite a big project -over 10k. I didn't get the job in the end but I had a grovelling email from a few weeks ago from them. Basically the people who had done the job were lousy, unreliable and much of the work wasn't up to scratch. Now they wanted me to go and fix a system pressure drop problem and also 'service the boiler'.

I have to say Tony I don't know how you are sometimes able to give very specific quotes on here.

 

[David937]

My point was David, they messed it up and you had to resort to this forum to get it resolved. There is an idelible record on this server with your postings on the subject.

And they could not register the warranty or benchmark GWN it with the controls not working because it would not meet regs.

And what if you had not availed yourself of our free knowledge? How quickly would your Worcester installers have sorted it out? Would they ever have done so?

I am a Vaillant and a Worcester accredited installer (as well as some other leading brands, in common with many other pros here) and lack of product knowledge is a real problem.

You wouldn't be feeling so clever now if you had needed to pull a £2000 tiled floor up to get the extra controls wiring in after the mistake, would you?

I can tell you, I wouldn't use your installer. If they didn't know, any responsible installer would have done the research before they took the job on, not bodged it and left their hapless customer to resort to free altruistic professional resources on the internet.

You may be right, I asked on this forum before calling back the installer who told me that the controls were not compatible. But he should have known in the first place.

 

[Agile]

I have to say Tony I don't know how you are sometimes able to give very specific quotes on here.

To me its very easy! I have to say that I dont know why so many people feel they have to go and look when you can get answers to the questions just by asking.

Now I know two people who go to size up the car in the drive and the customer and then come up with the price they think they can afford. I quote the same regardless of whom the customer is and thats usually without seeing the customer.

I have standard quote rates and just put them together to come up with the figure. You dont have to do many jobs to know whats involved.

I often wonder how most people come up with their figures. I use standard rates per meter for gas supply pipes for example.

I tested my method against a large project an ex-trainee did in an office building with 66 rads and two big boilers, two showers and three WCs. He said his quote was very competitive but it was still about 15% higher than mine worked out. He takes cost of materials, cost of labour and adds a % to that to cover management and profit. I dont see it as a very competitive quote as it gave about 50% profit on the total price, whilst thats nice it does not seem to me to be a compeititve quote when large contractors aim at about 15% profit.

Tony

 

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Model of boiler? Remember, they are draining, stripping old heating system, powerflushing, running upgraded gas line (i assume), fitting new boiler, condensate run, new heating controls (i assume you have trv's already?) and filling and testing system 2-4 days work depending on how many of em turn up plus materials.......I still don't think it's excessive but if you're unsure get a couple more quotes......

yup and as u know m8, this can be done in 2 days we typically convert such a system in 2 days, allthough im in wales, we charge 2.5 k with a vailant ecotec

 

[clarkerothwell]

£ 2800 labour for 4 days work... that's 700 per day...nearly £ 100 per hour...(lunch break?)

There are hopefully some plumbers out there who will charge an hourly rate less than that; even in London.

Maybe find a Corgi person with the best hourly rate, pay them for how long it takes. If they are nervous about underquoting , they will no doubt inflate the figure to cover theat risk. But as long as they don't waste time or re-do work they did wrong, then paying by the hour might be cheaper, no? Especially on a complicated job. It seems that the words "replace boiler" sets off a 'kerrchink' sound with dollar signs spinning in their eyes. Shouldn't matter what they are doing; a reasonable hourly rate is a reasonable hourly rate. £ 100 per hour seems like a great figure if you are at the receiving end, but should anyone really get paid enough to buy a new car every week?

Uh oh, here goes the political / marxist / socialist / Corgi overheads thread...

Here we go, another jealous factory worker wishing he'd been more picky in his career choice. Ever heard of the going rate? Supply on demand? WE ALL agree that footballers are on too much money and Solicitors charge WAY too much and so on, but its the way of the world, I AM a corgi registed engineer witth 17 years experience on my side and i charge the going rate for a good job done, and Price work is what it suggests, the price for the job, whether it takes 1 day or 1 month, you'll get charged THAT price. You'll Find its the Big Companys that charge over the top.