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Recommendations for Good Drill for Concrete Walls

Discussion in 'Tools and Materials' started by Beremy, 29 May 2021.

  1. Beremy

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    I am a light diy user - just put shelves, pictures, curtain rails, etc.

    My walls are really hard - black dust comes out when drilling.

    Please could I have some recommendations of good brushless cordless drills.
     
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    NOTE a DIYer
    you may need a sds Drill if that hard
    screwfix / toolstation do many cheap ones
    I'm biased towards Dewalt as thats all the kit i have
    At the moment Bank Holiday weekend, I see a few offers on kits drill/impact driver & Batteries from FFX , screwfix , Toolstation etc
    Whats your budget ?
    Do you have any cordless tools now with batteries, which may be more cost effective to use same batteries across range of tools

    My basic cordless dewalt combi driver, cheapest they do i think DCD778 has managed to drill through house Bricks/breeze block etc and with the bosch multipurpose drill bits

    Only have 2Ah Batteries, But I often use 2Ah as they are light and easy to get into places , its one of the cheaper dewalt drills Down from £180 to £130
    https://www.toolstation.com/dewalt-dcd709d2t-18v-xr-brushless-compact-combi-drill/p60545

    screwfix have a deal with impact driver and 4Ah batteries
    https://www.screwfix.com/p/dewalt-d...k32vAUE9y9FfZsAYrWxoCeRQQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
    Although I prefer the impact driver with the 3 speed , makes putting in small screws easy with a selectable setting
     
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    I have this drill and it performs well for a low end Makita, both drilling and driving.

    The other brand names are probably just as good but this deal offers two batteries that alone retail for around £90 - 100. Not brushless but perfectly adequate for diy use. It's actually made in Japan and the machining of the chuck is better quality than on the DHP458 which I also have, that's made in China.

    Makita DHP453SFE 18V 3.0Ah Li-Ion LXT Cordless Combi Drill | Combi Drills | Screwfix.com

    Blup
     
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    My budget is around £100 but I may have to up it. Will look at the toolstation one - thank you for your reply.
     
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    B&Q have the dewalt and a 1.3AH battery for £80
    have a look at the roybi range , not sure on pricing now , but B&Q near us had a huge display and stock, make sure it has a hammer action
    Stock may end up being your issue in the end

    Not sure you will get Brushless at that budget under £100

    If you plan on buying further cordless tools in future ,
    Once you buy into a Brand, its often cost effective to stay with same make as then batteries work on all the tools
     
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    black dust is not typical of concrete

    how old is your house?

    is it in a mining or steelmaking district?

    what sort of drill and bits have you been using?

    photos of the tip of the bit will be informative.

    SDS+ may not be what you need.
     
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    if using a cordless hammer drill I recommend you buy dewalt extreme masonry bits -they do drill well at less force which helps for cordless tools

    TBH any cordless is pretty weak for masonry drilling -in very hard walls esp concrete lintels for curtains you will need a mains SDS drill
    something like one of these:

    https://www.screwfix.com/p/mac-allister-msrh600-2-6kg-electric-sds-plus-drill-220-240v/994fy

    NB: as John says, you may not need SDs+, it may be that you need better drill bits and a different technique. for dusty hard but weak materials, it may help to start with a small drill bit and work up.
     
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    Hi

    Built 1959 housing estate - nowhere near mining or steelmaking districts. I borrowed my dad's corded drill which I think was sds and it was really hard work. Thank you for replying! I think it may have been black and decker - the bits I used were definitely black and decker masonry.
     
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    Fabulous, thank you, that is really helpful
     
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    Thank you, that's really helpful info. I'm going to b&q later for some other bits so I'll take a look.
     
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    SDS should have made it through
    The drill bits shaft look like this
    https://www.screwfix.com/p/sds-plus...wHXIfvuUbBDpKgMxkVxoClMoQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
    and have a slot

    Can we see pictures ?
    It may have been a standard hammer drill

    As i say ,had a lot of success with the Bosch Multipurpose drills ,

    https://www.screwfix.com/p/bosch-straight-shank-multipurpose-drill-bit-set-4-pcs/95958
    Also used dewalt extreme masonry, but purchased those separately rather than in a kit

    screwfix is part of the B&Q (Kingfisher Group) so you may find same item , a lot cheaper
     
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    HiI

    My dad's not longer around to ask but I rang my mum and she's had a look at it (as still under the stairs!). It's Power Performance SDS Rotary Hammer Drill PRH850 850W. She said it's about 10 years old. They were definitely masonry bits I used (Black & Decker). I still have those and one of them does seem to have burn mark - or at least it's discoloured at the top.
     
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    https://www.screwfix.com/p/performance-power-prh850c-4kg-electric-sds-plus-drill-220-240v/426fx
    2.5J 850W
    Should be plenty enough i would have thought - BUT no expert , just a DIYer

    Maybe the Bits are past it

    Did you set to the Drill/hammer action , not sure what settings you have , I have Drill only , Drill & Hammer and then Chisel action
    You have to push quite hard on the drill to get the hammer to kick in ?

    OR its an extremely very hard material
    Clinker or maybe metal reinforced
    have you a magnet, you can try and see if the black dust is magnetic ?
     
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    Hi, I think you're right about the drill bits so I'm going to replace them this weekend (hopefully today). It was set to drill/hammer action.
    Pushing hard is a thought and maybe I haven't done that enough. I haven't lived here long and the people who did live here did warn me that it was hard work - but I'd handed over my money by then!
     
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    i added
    Clinker or maybe metal reinforced blocks
    have you a magnet, you can try and see if the black dust is magnetic ?
     
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