Recruitment

[BOB.DOLE]

Well I must say there are some very bitter people about.

For the record Bob and anyone else we are Corgi registered. We do NOT do landlord cert's and our engineers most certainly DO NOT get 20 jobs a day.

In fact our average is just 6. Our engineers are paid a salary not per job.

We carry out warranty repairs and servicing work to domestic gas boilers only. Our commitment to our customers is we do not charge on any occasion unless we have successfully carried out a repair.


Our engineers are not given a time limit per job nor are they rushing around.

Our customers are given a fixed priced labour charge for all breakdowns and services. We do not operate an hourly charge routine.

The difficulty is that there are too many people like you Blob that are so uptight and ignorant of the facts. You have blindly slated our company and made assumptions with no intention to check your facts.

I rest my case.


Back to the original question- Maybe it is a sign of the times that true engineers are a thing of the past?

We have seen these so called company,s on watchdog ie. REACTFAST.
Nothing is has it seems engineers come and go like fly,s on sh..it with this type of work.
Your ideal canidates are young and green
Then 2 weeks in the job they will be on breakdowns 75% of the time running round for boiler parts.

This is what has killed off the gas game for plenty to many greedy contract managers out their taking all the cream and leaving none for the pussy cats.

 

[Bamber gaspipe]

True engineers are not a thing of the past. True engineers would rather see the hard earned cash that they toil for going into their own coffers.

 

[BDL]

Blob you are entitled to your opinion and I wholeheartedly wish you a successful careeer in the gas industry. (Although I suspect you have been upset in the past). Why are you so bitter and twisted?

For the record I agree with you regarding the companies you have mentioned. Please do not tar us all with the same brush.

I own the company and YES I am out doing warranty repairs and servicing. It is what I want to do.

We are looking for specialist engineers that know what they doing, ideally with a decent apprenticeship behind them and several years of checkable history. If we were to send as you say "an engineer with 2 weeks training" out on the road we would not survive. We do not charge until we have repaired a boiler.

 

[doitall]

Completely out of order Bob.Dole

Had you taken the effort to check you will see it's a ligitimate Company, under a contract for a major boiler manufacturer, asking a genuine question.

For the record we have been recruiting since Christmas, O yes plenty of 10 weeks plumbers, sometimes you need skilled workmen in the field, and Not Chancers.[/b]

their all coming out of the woodwork now like worms are you also in on it also doitall.
and what the hell do you know about contracting skivvy

We are a National Company Bob with 50 years trading, Corgy 6**, yes Bob one of the lowest still in use. We also have Quality Assured (QA) gas status for domestic, one of the first 10 to achieve this. and the first for industrial gas.

Like all Company's we are looking to expand with the demand for our services, that means taking on experienced and trainee labour. To which I will add, without Company's such as ours providing apprenticships and free training, the industry will die on it's feet.

As I said your out of order and obviously out of your league as well.

 

[BOB.DOLE]

True engineers are not a thing of the past. True engineers would rather see the hard earned cash that they toil for going into their own coffers.

thats exactly what i have done i now only work for myself and would never work for any contractor they are all scum.

and the only one,s who would disagree are the ar..se lickers you get them in every company the ones like doitall who thinks he knows itall,

Iknow of a company who takes all the councilers to private functions private boxes at top football matches he even whent round bragging that he had won the new contract which was up months before it even whent to tender,

TO MANY BROWN ENVOLOPES GOING AROUND.

 

[Bamber gaspipe]

Bob has some very valid points but then again DIA is quite correct, we do need companies to train our young `uns but there is too much exploitation going on out there.

 

[chrishutt]

From what BDL has posted, it would appear that his company is an example of the kind of company that we would all wish to see thriving in our industry. Criticisms by Bob Dull and co. are not justified by a shred of evidence in relation to BDL.

 

[BOB.DOLE]

Bob has some very valid points but then again DIA is quite correct, we do need companies to train our young `uns but there is too much exploitation going on out there.

training should be done in collages not by these company,s getting cheap labour.

 

[BOB.DOLE]

From what BDL has posted, it would appear that his company is an example of the kind of company that we would all wish to see thriving in our industry. Criticisms by Bob Dull and co. are not justified by a shred of evidence in relation to BDL.

here comes the next ar..se licker. i cant go nowhere without this gob sheeit butting in...

what keap you been watching corri

 

[Agile]

I am not abusive to anyone although I do have something of a reputation for saying it as it is but this is appreciated by those who have some experience and know that I am telling the truth.

Firstly, manufacturers warranty repairs are not very well paid, generally £35-40 per visit inclusive of travel and parking costs and repeat visits if not fixed on one visit.

For a company to make it work their employees are going to be on the normal salary of about £22k to £28k depending on their experience.

Any well experienced engineer who can repair boilers rather then just change parts will be expecting about £35k but there are few firms that can afford to pay that rate.

We also charge a fixed price diagnostic fee ( £84 ) but we dont have enough calls in a small area to make that work very well because of the travelling time spent across London.

Anyone involved in the Gas Industry will know where the experienced people look! The self employed and bosses look in Gas Installer. The employed, who are the target in this case, dont get to see their own copy and must be satisfied with the pick up free mag in Plumb Centre and if they are very involved with Pham News and H&V news.

There are two well known staff agencies, Rig Energy being one of the best known as they recruit for Transco and their contractors.

The reality of the situation is that only 24-28 year olds and older deadwood will consider working for a new company as all the experienced are either working already and very happy with their existing firms or self employed. There are just a VERY few who are finding it hard getting enough work and will consider an employer and BG are one of the top choices!

Tony

 

[Bamber gaspipe]

Chris, I would like to see where I have criticised this particular company.I do applaud any genuine company offering genuine jobs, I merely pointed out a possible factor to them being unable to find good engineers & it is my opinion that most good engineers are probably working for themselves & if not, working for a company treating them exceptionally well which is not the case a lot of the time. How many engineers are out there now working for themselves because they realised quite rightly, the grass sometimes is greener.

 

[doitall]

Bob has some very valid points but then again DIA is quite correct, we do need companies to train our young `uns but there is too much exploitation going on out there.

training should be done in collages not by these company,s getting cheap labour.

Training is done at the colleges, and training centers, who the hell do you think pays the bill, over a thousand pounds a week.

Labour is JIB approved rates plus benifits which adds nearly double to the rate.

You may have noticed that not all engineers want to be working 24/7 scratching a living, or the problems associated with it.

 

[BOB.DOLE]

Bob has some very valid points but then again DIA is quite correct, we do need companies to train our young `uns but there is too much exploitation going on out there.

training should be done in collages not by these company,s getting cheap labour.

Training is done at the colleges, and training centers, who the hell do you think pays the bill, over a thousand pounds a week.

Labour is JIB approved rates plus benifits which adds nearly double to the rate.

You may have noticed that not all engineers want to be working 24/7 scratching a living, or the problems associated with it.

you and your little corrupt freind have lost the battle go and play with your goldfish.

 

[chrishutt]

Chris, I would like to see where I have criticised this particular company.

I did not say that you Bamber had criticised BDL's company. I referred to Bob Dunce's criticisms of BDL. I added "and co." to cover others who shared his view.

 

[BDL]

Agile thanks for your reply. What manufacturer pays that amount per call?

I think your charges are a little out there.

The original question was asking what medium would be most beneficial to target the people we are looking.

Yes we are aware of Pham and that most employees do not get see the Gas Installer.

As I said previously we have spent alot of money to achieve very little so far, so before we go ahead and throw more money at it I thought some advice here would be in order.