Rupert Lowe.

[Mottie]

So, after the quick bit of research I have done above, it seems that for the most common visas, the migrant has to be able to speak English and cannot claim benefits or social housing. That seems to be the top three issues ticked off Rupert's list.

What about dependants though? Mrs Mottie transcribes for medical consultants on the NHS and it’s not that uncommon that the transcription starts with "Having lived here for a number of years, Mrs/mr xxxx was today accompanied by a translator" also, many DNA's (did not attend) transcriptions mention that "although a translator was engaged, the patient did not attend…". How much does that cost and why are we treating these people on the NHS?

Did you know that every EU person that returned to their own country after Brexit retained their NHS number? They can simply jump on a Ryanair/Easyjet flight and come back over here for treatment for the rest of their lives and that’s another thing that occurs in the transcripts - "mr/mrs x was not availible for the consultation as they were in their home country". It’s not just EU citizens either. Any foreign national that has obtained a NHS number, has it for life. I tell you, it’s a f'cking disgrace! If they go home, they should automatically lose their NHS number.

 

[denso13]

AI overview

No, returning EU citizens do not automatically retain their NHS number after leaving the UK following Brexit. EU citizens who were living in the UK before Brexit and returned to their home country would generally not retain their NHS number, as the NHS is a residence-based healthcare system.

 

[Mottie]

AI overview

No, returning EU citizens do not automatically retain their NHS number after leaving the UK following Brexit. EU citizens who were living in the UK before Brexit and returned to their home country would generally not retain their NHS number, as the NHS is a residence-based healthcare system.

All very well in theory but who checks these people's status when they present with a nhs number?

When Mrs Mottie worked in a GP surgery, if a foreign patient turned up with proof of residence - basically a rent book or tenancy agreement - they could be given an NHS number. That number was for life. Her surgery was hot on checking status but many doctors are a lot less so.

 

[denso13]

All very well in theory but who checks these people's status when they present with a nhs number?

Well, if someone notes the patient cannot attend an appointment because they are in their home country, I hope they will raise it to the appropriate person/authority. Scammers should be reported.

 

[Mottie]

Well, if someone notes the patient cannot attend an appointment because they are in their home country, I hope they will raise it to the appropriate person/authority. Scammers should be reported.

Honestly Denso, nothing happens other than the patient is taken off the consultants list and referred back to their GP as a DNA. When they are next in the country, they get the GP to refer them again. I’m not making this up at all.

 

[denso13]

I believe you, but that is people playing the system fraudulently, not that they are getting what they are entitled to.

 

[Mottie]

I believe you, but that is people playing the system fraudulently, not that they are getting what they are entitled to.

I know that but there seems no process or will to stop them.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I know that but there seems no process or will to stop them.

And how long has it been going on ?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Sí, Señor. Only joking. And yes, I know we had a villa in Spain but I rarely met a Spaniard in that area who couldn’t converse with me in English. I remember when our complex chairman was leaving to come back to the U.K. after living there for nearly 20 years, at the meeting he proposed that a new (Dutch) resident take his position as 'she could speak the language'. She was appalled that he had lived there, full time for 20 years and hardly knew any Spanish and she told him so! I felt embarrassed for him. We all did.

Nice editing, I'm not suprised you don't apeak spanish.

But you were happy to live there and not speak it.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

So, after the quick bit of research I have done above, it seems that for the most common visas, the migrant has to be able to speak English and cannot claim benefits or social housing. That seems to be the top three issues ticked off Rupert's list.

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It's nothing more than headline grabbing rhetoric that his followers lap up, without even looking at the details or questioning it.

 

[fixitflav]

Is it "dependents" or "dependants".

Dependant when it's a noun, as here

 

[Mottie]

Nice editing, I'm not suprised you don't apeak spanish.

But you were happy to live there and not speak it.

I’ve never lived there. Never spent more than three weeks there at any one time. Many people have villas abroad but don't live there - why did you assume I did?

 

[MNW67]

Dependant when it's a noun, as here

I thought "dependents" didn't look right, but I didn't want to commit and end up with egg on my face.

 

[Lirefighter]

Is it "dependents" or "dependants".

Does he need English lessons.

I think he's booked in for a refresher course next year.
The 'how not to sell your country down the river' option seemed a bit more pressing.
He did really well in that!

 

[diy_fun_uk]

"English is widely spoken in Saudi Arabia although Arabic is the official language and spoken by the majority of the population. English is taught as a compulsory second language in schools and is commonly used in business and other communication purposes, especially among the younger generation and in urban areas".

You’d be a bit of an idiot if you could only speak English and you went to work where it was not widely spoken.

Nice deflection.