Sanding a floating floor

like i said before, ' i dont want to take sides here' And i have not taken sides here. I have defended yourself and 'woody'

I personal think it is incorrect that you should post the time scale that woody has been trading as a buissness in the u.k as a knock at their skills. Just because they have a few years trading does not mean they dont have experiance in what they are doing.

I also said i dont also agree with some ways woody works, i belive it to be polite to send a p.m or email and question there methods rather than having a slaging match over a forum. If i dont agree with something, i prefer to p.m etc the person involved and we talk about the method and EDUCATE each other in our different methods. Either i decide their way is maybe better or vice verca.

And im sure woody is not trying to say there THE expert around here, that would be me! :LOL:

Anyway, for all we know you could be the master of masters and we all like to learn of each other. Would you mind giving a little post about yourself so we know who you are? Might be able to make a better start here and rewind a chapter ;)
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Cheers matty ;) (BTW, nice picture in the CFJ this month ;))

Chkee, for your information: yes, our business Wood You Like is incorporated since 7-11-02 We, as two-man-woman-band have been working in the trade of wooden flooring since 05.05.00 in the UK and before that in our home-country The Netherlands.

Incorporation date is the birthday of the business, yes we're 5 years old this year! - not of our cumulated knowledge and experience.

On the subject; it is still a pity the multi-disk isn't available in the UK (yet). Dutch invention and resembles the Trio-sander. Only there are 5 disks underneath it for much better result and 'lighter' handling. Hope the guys from our home town will move into the UK soon with this and other excellent professional tools, based on their own long years of installing/inventing. (And before you ask: that business is trading 15 years now - but the experience of the owners is much 'older' ;))
Domotex next year.

Oh, and do read the 3 'readers' contributions on the row about manufacturers/wholesalers undercutting contractors/retailers ;)
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MATTYSUPRA- I understand that you are wish to remain diplomatic here

lets rewind to the point where woodyoulike started by having a 'pop' at my suggestions to the originally posted question, which was that rather than a DIYER use an unfamiliar heavy sander on newly fitted softwood flooring and risk damaging it he/she should consider using a hand held belt sander for greater control, especially as it is new wood and requires little taking off

by directly quoting my first post, the response from woodyoulike was directed as criticism of my advice rather than offering an alternative solution for the question posted

woodyoulike also didn't read my post correctly before jumping in, e.g. in accusing me of advising turning a machine whilst still running

woodyoulike chose to directly challenge my advice and to enter into a public debate (no slanging match on my behalf, just defence of my opinion)

perhaps woodyoulike would like to consider that in future they stick to posting alternative advice to questions rather than attempting to put others down in a vain attempt at self promotion


woodyoulike also choose to use their company name on here and my enquiries into their trading position is neither intrusive nor breaks the data protection act (as that only applies to individuals and NOT to businesses)

NOTE: choosing to use their business name as their forum user name plus publishing their company web site details on their profile and offering professional advice publicly via this forum could possibly result in a claim against them should anything go wrong, I do hope they have Professional Indemnity Insurance NOT just Public Liability Insurance


the length of time trading is entirely relevant as it demonstrates experience, 1 or 2 floors a week for 5 years equates to about 480 floors and hardly compares to 20+ years and over 2000 floors fitted

more importantly, what types of flooring is that experience
with? I am ignoring any 'experience' with Laminates and pre-finished engineered sticking to experience with unfinished solid timber

Length of time trading will demonstrate what the fitters exposure is to the various timbers (its origin, drying methods, machining, finishes, etc) used over the years, not just since the recent growth in popularity of alternatives to carpeting since roughly the year 2000

I will explain further, as you are no doubt aware, there are many different species of wood, many methods of growing it, also the time of year when it grows determines how hard or porous it is (earlywood or latewood) . All of which needs to be considered before determining which of the many different types of abrasives and methods of laying, preparation and finish to use. Modern timbers are entirely different to those used, for example, in Victorian times. Wood used during that period was mature and had been grown naturally i.e. at a slower pace, modern timbers are much younger at time of felling and farmed for rapid growth and return on investment.

For example, if asked to repair or renovate a floor on a Victorian house one needs to look at the age of the timber flooring as, especially in cities such as London, many properties may be Victorian design but have been repaired rebuilt after the war, with new flooring fitted


My experience is upon completing an old fashioned apprenticeship in 1976 I began working in Southampton for a premier luxury yacht builder laying inner and outer decking. This takes far more skill than fitting flooring inside a property due to having to take into account with a yacht the extremes of temperature and humidity plus dealing with a flexing superstructure. You cannot use a huge 80kg machine inside a yacht, especially curved decks, so it is always 'hand finished' (now go and tell a premier yacht builder that they will leave marks using a hand held belt sander)

Clients inquired about having wooden, inlaid and parquet flooring renovated, repaired or newly fitted into their country homes and London mansion houses and I commenced by doing odd jobs during weekends and holidays, this grew into a healthy business and I became self employed in 1989.

Luckily my client base commenced amongst these wealthy yacht owners and their circle of so called rich and famous friends, therefore my work has always been based on a quality finish rather than to a budget. I am now semi-retired and only work for existing clients or on properties that I have previously maintained and are under new ownership.

I can appreciate that I have been very lucky to work in some of the finest homes for a client base with large wallets and that usually holidays whilst work is in progress. So I have the luxury of being able to spend considerable time in getting perfection. The average MR & Mrs Bloggs (me included) don't want weeks of work, no access to rooms and a bill for a few thousand pounds.

Hence my strong defence that a hand finished and unhurried job will ALWAYS be better than a machine finished job.
Prose, if your pine boards are not that unlevel and all you need is to make it smoother another option would be to use a Numatic buffing machine (scroll down to the bottom of the page) with a sanding screen (abrasive mesh, not too low a grit).

Come on woodyoulike, I know you want to have the last word here but this is very poor advice to a DIYER, if you take time to read the link it clearly states 'Only for professionals... ...A somewhat tricky operation..."

An unfamiliar user of these can cause enormous damage not only to the flooring but to the walls also, I have seen new users under instruction on these machines being dragged across a floor!
Are you repairing Teak Decking on a Yacht?

No, im looking at a new boat ( well second hand but new to myself about 5 years old) that does not have the teak decking but i want it installed. This boat is in southhampton at the moment. The boat is in mint condition so thats why im considering buying this one and having fitted or should i just wait untill one comes up with the teak installed from when built?

There is alot to be done. Two seperate decks about 12 sqm in total, a staircase between the two with curved steps (about 10 i think ) and also a bathing platform about 3 sqm .

Anyway im stealing someones thread here so may start up a new thread in the future.
this post was hijacked long ago in the debate about sanding machines so I will quickly answer

I presume it is a motor yacht as you describe a bathing platform, but you didn't say what manufacturer and what length it is - many publish plans on the web

As far as cost and time, as you know from your experience with property flooring, it all depends on the individual environment..

with yachts it includes

what the superstructure is made from , i.e. wood, steel GRP (most likely if 5 years old) and the scantling of this

construction of primary deck, do these decks form or sit on that

how the decks are supported, beams and carlins - their material and fixings required

which 2 decks those are, i.e. berth/cabin decks or cockpit, if any one is a weather deck than you need to take into account removal of deck fittings,
width of seams and caulking

what material the deck is at present, how it has been fixed, time to remove this

how the fittings and cupboards, carpentry all ties in and sits on the existing deck, what will need to be removed = more time

how much else needs to be removed, i.e.disturbance to electrics, plumbing which may route through the existing deck in various places = more time

as you are probably aware, owning a yacht is like a supercar, buying it is one thing, running and maintaining it is the real drain on your wallet

if you already own one, you will have experienced that anything in the yacht world is expensive, especially repairs, upkeep and maintenance

craftsmanship is probably the most expensive due to the time it takes, and of course we do not come cheap as you are not only paying for the quality, time and experience ...the lifestyle rubs off.

I have lived in London for last 20 years and limit myself to a few old clients properties in Mayfair etc (although I do occasionally visit an old clients yacht in Southampton) so i wouldn't be your man - there are plenty of boatyards in the area who would have the skills and facilities fairlie - web link was on my previous post, specialise in classic yachts and would be mega expensive even if they would consider looking at a modern motor yacht

considering what else might have to be taken out to remove the decking you may be looking at a bill in excess of ten plus thousands and a couple of months out of service so it may be more prudent to find the vessel you want

This is the same boat, just this one HAS the decking. It is GRP. There is a picture of the one deck with the decking installed, i want the flybridge covered also.

The boat i have now is the same but the f37, and yes its not cheap at all to keep, does about half a mile per gallon of fuel per engine when you get it upto 30 knots. :cry:
You might be as well to ask Sealine themselves if it is a current model, they are up north, not that far from you in kidderminster, they will have all the templates

I see on the photos you will also need the matching tops to the cupboards and they will have them also

Looking at how much values of property, yachts and sports cars have dropped already, with the price of fuel these are now very expensive to run and I can only see them dropping in value over the next year with the current economic downturn and credit crunch so it may be worth waiting. My neighbour has lost over £8k on a used (not new) Porsche in 3 months, and it was £4k under dealer price when he bought it from the first owner

Have you considered Sailing Yachts? a much more engaging, refined and peaceful experience and their fuel (wind) is completely free of charge !
Have you considered Sailing Yachts? a much more engaging, refined and peaceful experience and their fuel (wind) is completely free of charge !

Yep looked at them years ago, i like a bit of power/speed when i want it tho. And the main point is we keep the boat on the river severn so sails would defo be a no go for us. Have thought about keeping the boat down on the coast but it is just to far to drive every weekend! Our boat at the moment is kept at tewkesbury marine so only 40 mins down the motorway, takes me the same time to get to work from there as it does from my house which is only 6 miles away from my buissness in Brum! Only problem is we only have a few Inches of clearance on the bridge getting out the marina and when in flood we get trapped in the marina :oops: ( most of this crappy year so far )

I know sealine H.Q very well, Our sealine at present was the MD'S personal boat and southhampton boatshow boat.

Boat prices have dropped a bit but not much, they seem to have just stopped selling. I know cars are bad at the moment, lost 10k on my motor in the last 3 months, just cant sell the thing! Might have to drop the motor another 5k to sell it before it gets any worse! Makes me feel sick just thinking about it :cry: And to think i almost brought a couple of apartments as a investment :rolleyes: Lucky i never!

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