Should asylum seekers be allowed to work while their claim is processed

[JP_]

They may have been refugees when they left their home country but when they left France, they left as illegal migrants.

No, they are still refugees. They didn't have shelter and protection in France, so they're still seeking refuge.

 

[fillyboy]

They chose not to have shelter and protection in France, and the French were happy to encourage them into the sea in flimsy unseaworthy dinghies.

C'est la vie.

 

[Notch7]

You could have a point.
However these unfortunates who have drowned cannot be classified as refugees as they left a safe country in their attempt to enter the UK illegally.

That doesn’t change them from refugee to illegal.

UK govts figures show over 70% of their claims get approved, so that proves most are genuine asylum seekers

 

[Notch7]

and the French were happy to encourage them

In your opinion.

 

[AngleEyes]

In your opinion.

The site is littered with fillyboy's fake propaganda.

 

[AngleEyes]

The UK has closed legal and safe routes for asylum seekers. UK creates the market conditions for criminal gangs to sell boats to asylum seekers.
I am not denying the equally inhumane treatment of asylum seekers by the French either. If the French treated the asylum seekers better, it might deter some of them from wanting to come to UK, but it would not stop them. And France would then bear the majority burden of the asylum seekers, and UK would be content to continue to shoulder a proportional smaller fraction of the refugees.
If UK re-opened pre-existing opportunities, and created new safe and legal routes for asylum seekers, they would instantly make the criminal market opportunities unviable.
Instead the UK government prefer to shift the blame elsewhere. That is its modus operandi with all things wrong in society.

The current distrust, and removal of existing cooperation, generated by Brexit has exacerbated this problem, not resolved it.

 

[JP_]

At least it sounds like the UK and French will be working together to try to stop this happening.
We must remember though, this is not new. It is new that people are now trying to cross the channel in tiny boats that are not suitable for the channel seas, but people have been sneaking across for decades. It's only more because it is harder to hop on a ferry with a tourist visa now, largely because if you come from a country that has been in civil war for a decade, you probably can't get a passport!

Blaming "the French" is just the typical xenophobia that is peddled by the right wing press, and our own government's rhetoric doesn't help either. The French coast is about 4800km long. The people smugglers go to a bit where there are not police watching. They don't care if reporters turn up, as they know the reporters will just stand and watch.

 

[Vinty]

In your opinion.

The dishonesty by you pro EU/immigration supporters is astonishing.
On the one hand, you claim that, everything in the EU is bigger, better,shinier, the people are better looking, happier, healthier, cleaner and wealthier, yet when people leave EU territory trying get into British territory, you then claim they are fleeing oppression and persecution.
It is because of people like you that Boris Johnson has an 80 seat majority and people are drowning in the English channel.

 

[Vinty]

The UK has closed legal and safe routes for asylum seekers

Maybe people who put extra security locks on their doors should be prosecuted for making life harder for burglars.

 

[Munroast]

Opening up safe easy routes across the channel would just encourage more migration, the numbers migrating would easily go up 10 fold. Many of these people have to get across the Mediterranean first which is a far more dangerous undertaking. Therefor a safer easier crossing of the channel would lead to a much higher death rate amongst those migrating.

The next argument wil be to set up free and easy passage from centres within Africa and the Middle East, fly all those who wish directly to the UK - it will be very cosy when the UK population hits 100 million by 2050 - unless of course all these migrants of many different cultures all start warring with each other here.

 

[Vinty]

The French coast is about 4800km long

It is only a relatively short stretch of coast that is causing the problem.

 

[Munroast]

Blaming "the French" is just the typical xenophobia that is peddled by the right wing press, and our own government's rhetoric doesn't help either. The French coast is about 4800km long. The people smugglers go to a bit .

Utter nonsense - the feasible crossing point by dingy is less than 20 miles of french coast, with the vast majority leaving within a few miles of each other. If the french wanted to stop it they could do so very easily - why do you think they won't let us police their coastline ?

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

It is only a relatively short stretch of coast that is causing the problem.

..and the media has no problem finding them, to interview them. Why can't the French authorities?

 

[Vinty]

..and the media has no problem finding them, to interview them. Why can't the French authorities?

There are numerous videos online showing French police standing with their hands behind their backs watching these migrants carrying boats down the beach into the water.

 

[JP_]

less than 20 miles of french coast

That is still a lot of coast to watch 24/7. It would take hundreds, maybe thousands, of police officers to stand all day and night watching the coast.

why do you think they won't let us police their coastline ?

Huh? Because it is France maybe? But I thought that was precisely what we said we'd help do today?