Siting Electric cooker control

[filmskate]

I need to instal a cooker control unit and because of the kitchen decor I can't site it near to the cooker. Does anyone know how far from the cooker is permissable? And can it be installed in the hall outsider the kitchen? - either way it would be sited about a meter from the cooker.

Help would be appreciated.

Filmskate

 

[EFLImpudence]

It must be fitted within two metres of the cooker for access in emergencies so should be in the kitchen.

 

[holmslaw]

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[ban-all-sheds]

I need to instal a cooker control unit

When you submit your request for Building Regulations approval, what will you say will be the way you'll comply with P1?

 

[Paul_C]

It must be fitted within two metres of the cooker

Wasn't it mentioned on this forum recently that the 2m rule was removed from BS7671 some time ago? Not that keeping to that long-standing rule isn't a good idea, of course.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Hadn't heard. Please enlighten.

 

[Paul_C]

I can't remember exactly the thread in which it was mentioned, but I seem to recall it being posted that the 2m requirement doesn't actually appear in the 17th edition (perhaps only as a suggestion carried forward from the older editions in the on-site guide?).

Perhaps somebody with a copy of the 17th edition can check the appropriate section and confirm.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

There is no explicit distance any more - IIRC there wasn't in the 16th either. 2m is a guideline, I guess from when the regs specified it. Or more likely specified 6'.

"Suitably placed for ready operation" is the key, so you could successfully claim that at more than 2m - 2 or 3 steps to get to it is hardly any different to 1 or 2, but outside the room would be tricky....

Unless your standard practice is to run away as fast as possible when something goes t*ts-up...

 

[PrenticeBoyofDerry]

OSG, states "should be within 2m of appliance" as does John Whitfield. Guidance to part p states "so it is not necessary to lean or reach over hob to isolate".

 

[Paul_C]

There is no explicit distance any more - IIRC there wasn't in the 16th either.

Thanks, that's what I thought had been mentioned recently.

2m is a guideline, I guess from when the regs specified it. Or more likely specified 6'.

Yes, the original 1966 issue of the 14th edition specified that the switch must be within 6 ft. of the cooking appliance. That became 2m with the conversion to metric in the revised 1970 edition (regulation A.29 for anyone who has copies).

 

[EFLImpudence]

Right.
As the cable, obviously, has to run to the cooker it would be poor design, aesthetically if not electrically, to place it 'miles' away from the cooker, wouldn't it?

To filmskate:
If the hallway is less than a metre away (in a straight line I presume) can you not run the cable in the hallway with just a hole through the wall to the switch in the kitchen to avoid damage to the decor?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Right.
As the cable, obviously, has to run to the cooker it would be poor design, aesthetically if not electrically, to place it 'miles' away from the cooker, wouldn't it?

Island kitchen unit with hob installed.

The wall behind a person using the hob is 4m away and also houses the ovens (this is one of the kitchens they use in adverts).

Discuss.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Mmmm.

Unless you have a huge posh house, as the cable, obviously, has to run to the cooker it would be poor design, aesthetically if not electrically, to place it 'miles' away from the cooker, wouldn't it?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Where would you put it?

 

[Paul_C]

Where would you put it?

On the island unit?