Snag 17

[buslane]

Hello if you have the book Snags and Solutions, snag 17, shows a junction box with 4 cables going in and the cpc's are sleeved and terminated on outside into a connector. Just found a couple like this but no sleeving and just twisted together , not even in a terminal block connector.
Now this a brand new rewire, should I be concerned ? The standard is pretty low. Thanks Steve

 

[plugwash]

Now this a brand new rewire, should I be concerned ? Steve

Yes you should.

Have you been given any kind of paperwork for this installation?
Does the electrician claim to be a member of any part P self certification scheme. If he does have you asked for his member number and checked with them that he really is a member?

 

[RF Lighting]

You should be very concerned if it is a new rewire.


It is unusual to use junction boxes on new work.


It is not acceptable to rely on twisted connections.

It was normal to connect earths in this fashion around 30-40 years ago, but things have moved on since then.

 

[buslane]

The rewire was done by two youngsters early twenties, and the boss is Part P registered. He is going to sign it off, now I have read on here that you cannot sign another persons work.

 

[securespark]

Let him sign it off, give you the certs, then complain to the body he is registered with.

 

[buslane]

The 2 way switching in hall and landing only does landing you have to switch hall lights off before you go upstairs, the boss said thats how its done...!

 

[RF Lighting]

Normally it is, unless you request otherwise.

 

[Taylortwocities]

Depends on how you specified it.
Many houses (mine included) only have 2 way switching for the landing lights. The hall is on a single switch, downstairs.

edit: darn you RF. I'm too slow tonight, where's that merlot?

 

[buslane]

Ok, thanks for all replies and advice, cheers Steve

 

[saxondale]

The rewire was done by two youngsters early twenties, and the boss is Part P registered. He is going to sign it off, now I have read on here that you cannot sign another persons work.

you cant, He can

 

[Marco1976]

Let him sign it off, give you the certs, then complain to the body he is registered with.

How much hassle would the consumer get?

My guess is a PIR instigated by the provider condemning the install, hence more financial loss for the consumer.
Obviously safety is paramount, but at the end of the day the consumer is likely to need some more unwanted housebashing.
Jus shows how pointless the whole part p exercise is. Having been a victim of a part p cowboy myself in the past, i feel for the OP.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

It's nothing to do with Part P.

This dodgy work could just as easily have been done if Part P did not exist, and Part P has not introduced any new ways for dodgy work to be done.

Cowboy electricians existed before Part P, and Part P did not introduce any new ways for them to flourish.

But at least if this particular firm is registered the OP does, because of Part P, have extra clout to get the problems sorted, for as well as being able to complain to whichever body it's registered with he can also report them for, or at least wave the stick of, committing an actual criminal offence.

 

[Marco1976]

Ban,

I appreciate your reply but as a customer I took on a Part P contractor hoping that I would then be compliant with BC.

I now find myself with an EIC but no Part P paper from the provider.
This is beyond the 21 days allowed by the provider for notification.

I rang the provider and they told me to contact the spark. I have done so and the guy tells me that he is not bound by deadlines and that the EIC is
what matters as a legal document.
I obviously understand that this is bullshit but where do I go from here?

It has come to the point where the spark has said to me that since he has not finished the job he cannot write off to his provider.
The part of the job that is not finished is replacing two existing porch lights on an existing circuit...

So my question is, if he thinks his job is not finised why did he issue an EIC?!?

So now I have the option of opening a can of worms with my installation (ie. PIR by the provider to cover their backs) by complaining to his provider or keeping my mouth shut...

And I thought that with a Part P spark I would be safe.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Ban,

I appreciate your reply but as a customer I took on a Part P contractor hoping that I would then be compliant with BC.

I now find myself with an EIC but no Part P paper from the provider.
This is beyond the 21 days allowed by the provider for notification.

I rang the provider and they told me to contact the spark. I have done so and the guy tells me that he is not bound by deadlines and that the EIC is
what matters as a legal document.
I obviously understand that this is bulls**t but where do I go from here?

Back to his registration body and tell them that one of their members is in violation of the law, and ask them what they will do about that.

It has come to the point where the spark has said to me that since he has not finished the job he cannot write off to his provider.
The part of the job that is not finished is replacing two existing porch lights on an existing circuit...

So my question is, if he thinks his job is not finised why did he issue an EIC?!?

My question to you is if the job is not finished then have you paid him?

So now I have the option of opening a can of worms with my installation (ie. PIR by the provider to cover their backs) by complaining to his provider or keeping my mouth shut...

Why would that be a can of worms?

 

[Marco1976]

He said today the job isn't finished when i questioned why the provider had not been notified. Basically the guy is a blagger. He is resorting to having a go at his own timekeeping when questioned about something else!!!!

What is not finished is replacing two lights outside with a different type.
In the contract he stated that the price did not include these. As it happens he told us that the supplier had not yet delivered the lights and that he would be back. I was not too concerned at the time.

Another matter that worries me is the fact that on his test certificate there is no mention of the garage circuit.
The work wa sbasically a rewire with resiting the CU but not changing the garage circuit. I am ignorant of electric matter but shouldn't he have tested the garage unit anyway due to the disconneting of the CU and moving it??

Can I ask you what happens if a contractor is reported to the scheme for not notifying?


I dread having my decorations ripped out again....