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So many wires....Help for final light fitting.

Discussion in 'Electrics UK' started by Socialstone, 31 Dec 2020.

  1. Socialstone

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    Happy New Year all - hope next year works out better than the last!

    Does anybody know what to do here?.

    I’ve changed some of the light fittings in our house no problem but the last one I need to do has more wires than I know what to do with.

    I've attached some images of the ceiling rose before I took it down, the wires (one of the neutral wires has a brown sleeve put over the top of it?) and the light fitting (that doesn't have an earth?)

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    There doesn't look to be enough space in the base plate of your new fitting to accommodate all the terminal blocks required to make all the connections. How deep is the circular base plate ? You may need a maintainence free junction box to make all the connections in ,that will push up into the ceiling void.
    The blue with brown sleeving is the switched live ,not a neutral. Don't mix them up !!!
     
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    Definitely require a maintenance-free junction box to sit inside the ceiling void with just 2 wires coming down to your new fitting.
    A qualified spark will hopefully come along and tell you exactly what type of fitting you will need.
     
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    Never simple is it! :LOL: But thanks for the response. Assume something like this is required https://www.screwfix.com/p/wagobox-light-junction-box/8423f

    Wonder if there is anyway if I can reuse the ceiling rose.
     
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    You're going to struggle with space.

    Fottunately you still have the sleeve on the switched live, that is the brown connexion of the new fitting
    The other 3 blues are neutral and go to the blue of your new fitting.
    The 4 brown wires are joined together in another connector.
    The 4 earths all go together and I assume to an earth terminal somewhere on the metal of the new fitting.

    It will be an aweful lot easier if you purchase a replacement junction box [mainenance free], for that little thing that's on there,which can slip throught the hole into the ceiling.
     
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    I should have checked activity during my dinner time:(
     
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    [​IMG] This would be ideal,if you can get one.
     
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    Are they available to take the 4th cable?
     
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    Think it would be ok if the description is anything to go by?

    “The Quickwire QSL34 Junction Box allows for two power connections, one switch connection and one load connection.”
     
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    I've only used one and it had no provision for the 4th live or 3rd neutral. I don't know what model was.

    I worked on a site where these were used and rejected by the main contractor but I don't know the details, so I've avoided them since.
     
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