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[pete01]

I know, because for so many of you that sort of thing is so normal that you cannot conceive that there are people for whom it is not. And it's compounded by some people being so blinkered in their political and social views that they cannot conceive that others might genuinely have opposing positions, so they brand any expression of those opposing views as not genuine, as wind-ups, as trolling.

 

[SUNRAY]

I know, because for so many of you that sort of thing is so normal that you cannot conceive that there are people for whom it is not.

Really?

And it's compounded by some people being so blinkered in their political and social views that they cannot conceive that others might genuinely have opposing positions,

I take it you were looking in a mirror as you wrote that.

so they brand any expression of those opposing views as not genuine, as wind-ups, as trolling.

No.

 

[morqthana]

Really?

Yes, really.

Ohhhh I see, many of us thought it's something you do on a regular basis.

Follow the logic.

Why would "many people" think that I deliberately wind people up "on a regular basis"?

As I said - I never do it at all. I am an intelligent adult, and it would no more occur to me to deliberately wind someone up than it would to punch them in the face if I disagreed with them, or run them off the road if I didn't like their driving.

And who would? What kind of person(s) inhabit a world where deliberately winding people up is such a common thing to do, that they therefore just assume that everyone does it?

Follow the logic.

I take it you were looking in a mirror as you wrote that.

No.

I know full well that different people hold different opinions to me, and that even if I think they are wrong, they genuinely believe them.

I don't assume that they are claiming that they believe a particular thing out of cynicism, or to wind me up.

No.

Oh but yes.

I have been on the receiving end of a large number of allegations of trolling.

Why would someone, when faced with disagreement with their views on a given issue decide that such disagreement couldn't possibly be genuine, and that therefore I could only be expressing it cynically, with the aim of provoking them, or of causing disruption, for my amusement?

What does such an attitude say about their understanding of the true prevalence of their beliefs?

 

[SUNRAY]

Yes, really.



Follow the logic.

Why would "many people" think that I deliberately wind people up "on a regular basis"?

As I said - I never do it at all. I am an intelligent adult, and it would no more occur to me to deliberately wind someone up than it would to punch them in the face if I disagreed with them, or run them off the road if I didn't like their driving.

And who would? What kind of person(s) inhabit a world where deliberately winding people up is such a common thing to do, that they therefore just assume that everyone does it?

Follow the logic.




No.

I know full well that different people hold different opinions to me, and that even if I think they are wrong, they genuinely believe them.

I don't assume that they are claiming that they believe a particular thing out of cynicism, or to wind me up.




Oh but yes.

I have been on the receiving end of a large number of allegations of trolling.

Why would someone, when faced with disagreement with their views on a given issue decide that such disagreement couldn't possibly be genuine, and that therefore I could only be expressing it cynically, with the aim of provoking them, or of causing disruption, for my amusement?

What does such an attitude say about their understanding of the true prevalence of their beliefs?

Nothing in this reply has done or will do anything to persuade anyone to change their mind.

 

[morqthana]

Nothing in this reply has done or will do anything to persuade anyone to change their mind.

When someone makes up their mind without using facts, evidence, reasoning, or intelligence there is little that anyone can do to change it.

 

[SUNRAY]

When someone makes up their mind without using facts, evidence, reasoning, or intelligence there is little that anyone can do to change it.

However:
When someone makes up their mind without using facts, evidence, reasoning, or intelligence there is little that anyone can do to change it.

 

[securespark]

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All I can say is that having installed countless galv boxes in gypsum plasters of all varieties, I have never had an issue with corrosion.

Sure, I've come across corroded galv boxes before, but only where there is obvious damp or water ingress into the building.

I've never noticed plaster not fully drying out. Moisture levels in my walls after being recently plastered and given time to dry out were 7-8%, which is OK, isn't it?

Surely if there was a big issue with galv boxes and gypsum, the manufacturers would have a rethink and make them from plastic?

 

[mikehammer69]

The last point, they do make flush plastic boxes

No need to ban metal boxes because they can be affected by corrosion in certain conditions

I believe i also saw the effects of this corrosion bit it's only a vague memory

 

[securespark]

Oh, I wasn't suggesting getting rid of them. They have their uses in dry wall.

I'm out of touch with the market, I haven't seen these boxes.

 

[mikehammer69]

Oh, I wasn't suggesting getting rid of them. They have their uses in dry wall.

I'm out of touch with the market, I haven't seen these boxes.

Not sure if they're used in the UK

 

[SUNRAY]

All I can say is that having installed countless galv boxes in gypsum plasters of all varieties, I have never had an issue with corrosion.

Sure, I've come across corroded galv boxes before, but only where there is obvious damp or water ingress into the building.

I've never noticed plaster not fully drying out. Moisture levels in my walls after being recently plastered and given time to dry out were 7-8%, which is OK, isn't it?

Surely if there was a big issue with galv boxes and gypsum, the manufacturers would have a rethink and make them from plastic?

I'm not for a moment trying to say there is a big issue but I have quite often seen a rust line at the junction between plaster/filler and the metal BB. Most noticeable with white products. Whether galv or black lacquer I can't say.

The moisture level in the walls is very dependant on the humidity and the barrier between the wall and the humidity, for example a tiled or gloss painted wall is almost waterproof but bare plaster is far from that.

 

[securespark]

I have seen some breakdown of BE boxes in older houses, but nothing major.

I used to fit shed-loads of BE conduit in the 80s, but soon switched to galv.

 

[SUNRAY]

None of which are happening when people make accusations of trolling or winding-up simply because they don't like my messages, have no evidence based arguments to counter them, and simply want me prevented from ever challenging their bigotry and ignorance.

As I said mirror

 

[morqthana]

You just refuse to get it.

I NEVER assume that someone doesn't mean what they say, and that they make cynical, insincere posts just to cause disruption or provoke emotional responses, for their own amusement, no matter how much they disagree with me.

But there are people here who ALWAYS assume that I am doing just that if I disagree with them.

If I oppose, or criticise someone's racist/Islamophobic/antisemitic/transphobic opinions, what makes them decide that I don't actually oppose them, but I'm just saying I do in order to troll them?

 

[SUNRAY]

You just refuse to get it.

I NEVER assume that someone doesn't mean what they say, and that they make cynical, insincere posts just to cause disruption or provoke emotional responses, for their own amusement, no matter how much they disagree with me.

But there are people here who ALWAYS assume that I am doing just that if I disagree with them.

The problem is we have seen plenty of what you write and argue. From that we form opinions and it appears plenty of your work is just the opposite to your postulations. Some say you spout a lot of rubbish, sometimes you come up with useful informative posts and the two seem to go in cycles, in other words periods of rubbish and periods of reasonable posts. These are multiple members opinions and yes we talk about you behind your back in the privacy of direct or private messages, these opinions sticks and it takes effort for so many members to change their minds.

If I oppose, or criticise someone's racist/Islamophobic/antisemitic/transphobic opinions, what makes them decide that I don't actually oppose them, but I'm just saying I do in order to troll them?

At the moment it only seems to be you having these relationship problems with other members, I'm not aware of others constantly making such allegations about you that you find the need to defend yourself, why is it you find the need to regularly recycle this defensive question?

The line from Hamlet yet again springs to mind: "The lady doth protest too much methinks."

We all have differences of opinions but fortunately we have come to accept those and we get on with our lives, including freely giving our time offering advice to help solve problems on forums such as this. Hopefully without silly comments.