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He died 800 years ago in China.
He's had his head down for a long time.
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He's had his head down for a long time.
Are you aving a laff?
The IRA were brutal terrorists and involved in organised crime such as protection rackets.
I don’t understand why Northern Ireland the country should need justiceNorthern Ireland
If you mean the families concerned, I can understand that.
However was justice ever served for the 772 British soldiers killed by paramilitary attacks
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What does that have to do with whether British soldiers should get away with murder?
Context is important, please avoid over simplifying
You can’t apply the same argument for civilian and military situations
if the IRA troubles hadn’t happened then those British soldiers wouldn’t have been in Ireland, put into a highly stressful situation where hundreds of soldiers had been killed and injured
In the year of Bloody Sunday, 1972 the IRA killed 100 British soldiers and wounded 500 more. In the same year, they carried out 1,300 bomb attacks and 90 IRA members were killed.
If we're being encouraged to take account of context...
en.wikipedia.org
"Large amounts of food were exported from Ireland during the famine and the refusal of London to bar such exports, as had been done on previous occasions, was an immediate and continuing source of controversy, contributing to anti-British sentiment and the campaign for independence. Additionally, the famine indirectly resulted in tens of thousands of households being evicted, exacerbated by a provision forbidding access to workhouse aid while in possession of more than one-quarter acre of land...."
Great Famine (Ireland) - Wikipedia
"Large amounts of food were exported from Ireland during the famine and the refusal of London to bar such exports, as had been done on previous occasions, was an immediate and continuing source of controversy, contributing to anti-British sentiment and the campaign for independence. Additionally, the famine indirectly resulted in tens of thousands of households being evicted, exacerbated by a provision forbidding access to workhouse aid while in possession of more than one-quarter acre of land...."
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I'm not.
I'm not.
So because you cannot, or will not, answer my question, you come out with that laughably false and unjustifiable claim, hoping to draw attention away from your failure/refusal to consider an important question, or to make the question go away.
You're behaving like those people who say that anyone who doesn't support Israel's genocide must want Israel destroyed and all Jews killed, or if someone says that white people rape children they're supporting Asian grooming gangs.
How would it be if in reply to this:
I said
"So you are fine with British soldiers getting away with murder
I’m glad we’ve cleared that up"
?
Why can't you see that not everything is a zero sum game?
Why can't you see that saying "B does bad things as well as A" is not the same as saying "A does not do bad things"?
Why can't you see that asking "Should X get away with murder" is not the same as saying "Y should get away with murder"?
Why can't you answer the question?
Heh ? i was pointing out you put Ireland and not Northern Ireland, i'm 100% behind the Para, who should never have been tried, and being Belfast born and bred, i lived there for a while during the troubles so know full well what the soldiers had to face, and the sacrifices they made.
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If we're being encouraged to take account of context...
Great Famine (Ireland) - Wikipedia
"Large amounts of food were exported from Ireland during the famine and the refusal of London to bar such exports, as had been done on previous occasions, was an immediate and continuing source of controversy, contributing to anti-British sentiment and the campaign for independence. Additionally, the famine indirectly resulted in tens of thousands of households being evicted, exacerbated by a provision forbidding access to workhouse aid while in possession of more than one-quarter acre of land...."
The context of the animosity between sections of the Irish population and Great Britain is irrelevant to the question of whether British troops should be allowed to get away with murder.
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Nobody is disputing or downplaying what they faced or the losses they suffered.
The question is should they be allowed to get away with murder?
Yes you are
You have taken the simplistic binary argument that it either is or is not murder.
The reality is that young British soldiers were stationed in Northern Ireland where they faced paramilitary attacks with constant shootings and bombs - these soldiers faced huge stress and they were only there because of the IRA.
My apologies, I wasn’t sure what you meant.
Yes I should’ve written Northern Ireland, thank you for pointing that out
I once knew a Lance Corporal who had done tours in Ireland, he told me stories of how awful it was, the fact you could not trust anybody, for example the IRA would try and get women and children to give “presents” to soldiers, which would turn out to be explosive packages.
You are pushing a false question.
Will never forget this one, they were only children.My apologies, I wasn’t sure what you meant.
Yes I should’ve written Northern Ireland, thank you for pointing that out
I once knew a Lance Corporal who had done tours in Ireland, he told me stories of how awful it was, the fact you could not trust anybody, for example the IRA would try and get women and children to give “presents” to soldiers, which would turn out to be explosive packages.
1971 Scottish soldiers' killings - Wikipedia
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