Sparky with part p prob

[martin123]

Hi, mmmmm slight problem. My stepfather has nearly finished a small extension to his kitchen (3mx4m) and it's ready for the electrical first fix. Im an electrician and most of my work is on industrial and commercial sites so part p has'nt really affected me up until now. All i want to add is 2 double skt's by extending the kitchen ring, 2 downlighters and 1 outside light. Now according to the part p website this is all notifible work.
I cant certify my own work but then again i dont want him to pay to have my work inspected........... would you??
Ive spoken to my boss who said when ive tested it he will put it through the company but there will still be a fee !!(unless he's trying to get back some of this years overtime)

Its not just the money but this small job is hardly rocket science for an electrician !
LABC have already been round to check the footings and they havent been informed about any electrics, Does anyone know a way out of this for me? or any ideas?

Cheers

 

[il78]

Could you not wire the sockets from the existing downstairs ringmain as this would not be considered as new install work / works with a kitchen and should not require the approval from your local authority.

 

[plugwash]

afaict if it was approved by building control its approved until the approval runs out end of story.

if building control decide not to inspect the wiring in the extention they approved then thats thier problem not yours.

 

[martin123]

iL78, i could use the existing ring as it's a small bungalow and only has one, but then the extension is classed as a kitchen and then becomes notifiable.

 

[andy]

iL78, i could use the existing ring as it's a small bungalow and only has one, but then the extension is classed as a kitchen and then becomes notifiable.

do the work before the sink is put it


this is where the part P is stupid. it only stops honest people doing the work

 

[martin123]

Yes the new dining rooms coming along nicely thanks

 

[kevplumb]

martin123 wrote:
iL78, i could use the existing ring as it's a small bungalow and only has one, but then the extension is classed as a kitchen and then becomes notifiable.


do the work before the sink is put it icon_lol.gif

like it

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Could you not wire the sockets from the existing downstairs ringmain as this would not be considered as new install work / works with a kitchen and should not require the approval from your local authority.

Errr - it's a kitchen extension. Whether the sockets are on a new circuit or an extended existing one the work is still notifiable....

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Ive spoken to my boss who said when ive tested it he will put it through the company

Unless the company is registered as a Domestic Installer, he can't do that - doesn't work.

Yes the new dining rooms coming along nicely thanks

That might work - you'd have to remove the existing sink and food preparation facilities though...

LABC have already been round to check the footings and they havent been informed about any electrics, Does anyone know a way out of this for me? or any ideas?

Cheers

When was the extension notified, and the plans given Building Regs approval? If it was last year, just do the work, test and certify it, and brazen it out with LABC...

 

[Mr Winston]

do the work before the sink is put it


this is where the part P is stupid. it only stops honest people doing the work

If its a kitchen surely it will involve an amount of drainage - is the bco really gonna see this and think 'Oh he likes washing up in his lounge - how quirky'

If the existing circuit is being extended that has to be up to current regs doesent it? and the external lighting would be notifiable and any ELV lighting

If youre up to 16th edition there shouldnt be a problem as they should accept your qualifications and testing - just need to make sure that the first fix wiring is seen afaik

 

[securespark]

External lighting not notifiable if attached to house. Outside stuff is only notifiable if it is NOT attached to dwelling.

ELV is not notifiable if it comes as a CE marked kit.

Way round this is to fit mains halogens.

 

[Mr Winston]

Way round this is to fit mains halogens.

I have recently had this problem - if your bco says efficient lighting is needed , as your building new rooms, these wont be efficient enough

 

[ban-all-sheds]

If its a kitchen surely it will involve an amount of drainage - is the bco really gonna see this and think 'Oh he likes washing up in his lounge - how quirky'

Doesn't matter what he thinks, nor how transparent the attempt to circumvent the spirit of the law, if the room does not contain a sink and food preparation facilities it is not a kitchen.

 

[andy]

circumvent the spirit of the law, if the room does not contain a sink and food preparation facilities it is not a kitchen.

so put the sink in another room

 

[il78]

Could you not wire the sockets from the existing downstairs ringmain as this would not be considered as new install work / works with a kitchen and should not require the approval from your local authority.

Errr - it's a kitchen extension. Whether the sockets are on a new circuit or an extended existing one the work is still notifiable....

ERRR.....Just because its an extension to a kitchen does not mean it has to be a kitchen.......