Spot light in kitchen need replacing for fire rated

[diycooper]

If there is spot light in kitchen with bedroom above do these need to be fire rated.

I have attached pic amd can appreciate the spot has no bulb.

If the answer is yes they do need to be fire rated to pass a EICR then can I get pladtic spots as I am reading of sone other topics there is no earth on some old spots like this. So would getting plastic spots get around this problem if once the spot is removed it is the case of there no esrth connected ?

 

[Murdochcat]

Is this a home with a single family occupancy or a HMO ?

Your home? Customers home?

 

[diycooper]

Is this a home with a single family occupancy or a HMO ?

Your home? Customers home?

Single family

 

[diycooper]

Is this a home with a single family occupancy or a HMO ?

Your home? Customers home?

Sorry rental 3 bed house

 

[Murdochcat]

Who’s the landlord? You?

Has an EICR been done or are you trying to second guess what a competent spark will say?

 

[diycooper]

Who’s the landlord? You?

Has an EICR been done or are you trying to second guess what a competent spark will say?

Eicr been done.

Who’s the landlord? You?

Has an EICR been done or are you trying to second guess what a competent spark will say?

I had an EICR carried out on a rental property and it was marked unsatisfactory. The report gives C2s under broad checklist headings only, rather than clear written descriptions. It records 5.18 “condition of accessories” as C2 and 5.19 “suitability of accessories for external influences” as C2. The electrician later said the actual required remedials included a landing socket not securely fixed and kitchen downlights not IP or fire rated. The loose landing socket seems straightforward, but I am unclear about the kitchen downlights because the EICR itself does not specifically state “kitchen downlights” or explain whether the issue is IP rating, fire rating, damage, missing lamp, or exposed parts. Also, if the kitchen downlights are being failed as non-fire-rated, the EICR has 5.13 “fire barriers, sealing arrangements and protection against thermal effects” marked as Pass, which seems inconsistent. There is a bedroom above the kitchen, so I understand fire-rated downlights may be recommended or required, but I am concerned the EICR is not specific enough for another electrician to clearly match remedial works to the C2 observations.

 

[endecotp]

I had an EICR carried out on a rental property

I am concerned the EICR is not specific enough for another electrician to clearly match remedial works to the C2 observations.

Right! That’s the intention. The idea is, you pay an electrician to “do an EICR and whatever remedial works they decide are necessary and provide paperwork required for renting” (or whatever).

If you want an EICR that actually makes sense to you, or to some other electrician, you need to ask for that explicitly. It will cost more. You’ll get a confused look from the electrician when you say that you’re actually going to read the report, and many will refuse or be unable to provide that. I think there are probably only half a dozen electricians left who actually understand the numbers that appear on the screen of their tester, and they all post on this forum.

Good luck.

 

[diycooper]

Right! That’s the intention. The idea is, you pay an electrician to “do an EICR and whatever remedial works they decide are necessary and provide paperwork required for renting” (or whatever).

If you want an EICR that actually makes sense to you, or to some other electrician, you need to ask for that explicitly. It will cost more. You’ll get a confused look from the electrician when you say that you’re actually going to read the report, and many will refuse or be unable to provide that. I think there are probably only half a dozen electricians left who actually understand the numbers that appear on the screen of their tester, and they all post on this forum.

Good luck.

The EICR has been done. My concern is not that I am trying to second guess every technical decision, but that the written report does not accurately or clearly identify the alleged defects.

For example, the report refers to a SELV fan in the upstairs bathroom. I do not have a SELV fan in the upstairs bathroom.

The fan issue was a 230V fan not working in the downstairs toilet, which I understand is not automatically dangerous in itself. The report appeared to code the fan as C2, but when I asked for clarification, the electrician later said the fan was actually C3 and that the kitchen spotlights were the C2 issue.

The problem is that the EICR itself does not clearly say that.

I had originally wanted a quote from him for the remedial work, but he then quoted £1,479 including a new consumer unit, and said that if I used someone else for the remedials, I would not get the EICR to pass.

That raised concerns for me, especially as I only have 28 days to get remedial works dealt with on a rental property.

I therefore asked MyConstructor for clarification, because I need to know exactly what has been coded C2, where it is, and why. If the report says the fan is C2, but the electrician later says the fan is C3 and the spotlights are C2, then the report needs to be clear and accurate.

Also, if the report refers to a SELV fan in the upstairs bathroom when that is not what exists, that gives me red flags.

I am not refusing to do necessary remedial work. I just need an accurate EICR and a clear remedial quote so I know exactly what I am paying for in my rental property, especially where the electrician wanted payment in cash.

 

[robinbanks]

Perhaps need another EICR from another electrician

 

[pete01]

Assuming a 2 storey house the kitchen spotlights don't need to be fire rated.

The only place they would need to be is in an internal garage with a bedroom above. (But who has spots in a garage)

 

[Murdochcat]

I suggest the “spark” who did the EICR needs educating on communication if nothing else.

So you have an unsatisfactory EICR.

Your previous thread suggests you are going to do the remedial work.