Ssssssshhhhhh, don't mention Reform.

[Notch7]

So they can write all our laws? No.

Unfortunately we can’t write their laws.

ASk them what they're doing about it. It wouldn't be hard to stop completely from their side.

It’s not in the interests of France to stop them leaving, so they don’t.

I know it’s sh1t but that’s how it is.

 

[Feck]

Just for the record, I’ve checked the transcript and what he said verbatim was:

“packed with women and children would lead to excess death in in in in in”

Which I accept is misleading but he didn’t say majority as you claim

Just for the record, I've checked the transcript and what he said verbatim was:
"And when you see that the majority of the people in these boats are children, babies and women" (26:09)

I think diy_fun_uk deserves that apology.

 

[Mottie]

Looks like Notch has been caught out doubling down on yet another lie. When will he learn?

 

[Notch7]

Just for the record, I've checked the transcript and what he said verbatim was:
"And when you see that the majority of the people in these boats are children, babies and women" (26:09)

I think diy_fun_uk deserves that apology.

I accept he did say those words, albeit he was interrupted from finishing what he was saying on it.

I repeat my apology to Diynot.

 

[Notch7]

Looks like Notch has been caught out doubling down on yet another lie. When will he learn?

Unlike you, I apologise when I’m wrong.

 

[motorbiking]

we’ve through this numerous times and you are wrong every single time.
You can’t push back an unseaworthy overloaded vessel, it is not compatible with International law.

It does not become in distress due to a change of course. It's simply nonsense to suggest it does. Its stability is actually increased.

A pushback can only be attempted in British water - as your explanation shows and if a pushback is attempted the migrant boat will decide it’s in distress….some of them could jump in the water

And as the boat is in distress in British water….where do you think they will have to be taken.

making up a different scenario to suit your failed argument.

 

[motorbiking]

The problem is France: they simply won’t allow migrants to be returned.
and France is in the EU which has more leverage than us, given that it’s our biggest export destination.

I accept it’s unfair, but I simply can’t see any govt including Reform ever forcing France to take them.

EU states have additional obligations.

It is true that "British Compliance" is no match for a "Gaelic Shrug". Which is why different tactics are needed.

 

[motorbiking]

It would make zero difference which way the "helmsman" directed propulsion this boat will be turning to starboard. The two Jetskis provide stability as it turns.

 

[Notch7]

It does not become in distress due to a change of course. It's simply nonsense to suggest it does. Its stability is actually increased.

So British border force stop a migrant boat from proceeding towards English coast.

Let’s say it’s turned around, the migrant boat can just travel 100 metres in French waters and turn around again abd head towards English water

Border Force will have to stay there for hours, for days, for weeks? How long?

The longer an overloaded unseaworthy boat is out in the middle of the channel the more in distress it becomes.

 

[Notch7]

making up a different scenario to suit your failed argument.

You must be fuming every single argument you have tried, has failed.

 

[Notch7]

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It would make zero difference which way the "helmsman" directed propulsion this boat will be turning to starboard. The two Jetskis provide stability as it turns.

the helmsman can direct propulsion full steam ahead to starboard, result 180 degrees

Oh dear, fail

 

[Notch7]

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It would make zero difference which way the "helmsman" directed propulsion this boat will be turning to starboard. The two Jetskis provide stability as it turns.

You can see people on board slipping into the water……oops distress situation


That’s a pushback attempt in English territorial waters….oops UNCLOS 98, boat in distress in English waters, obligation to attend by nearest vessel…..have to take to UK

 

[Justin Passing]

Now you are quoting the law when, regarding push backs, you don't seem to care.

Yes, we do have the right to decide who we let settle here, as do France have the right to decide who leaves.

Sticking your head in the sand won't work, push backs are illegal.

We should have formal routes, that's an error.
But there aren't. Tough, it doesn't mean you can do what you like.
France do not have the right to send people here. They have no rights over ours.

Head not in sand, I've already answered several times
"Illegal" according to whom? I already said, change the law or decline to acknowledge it, either in a package or specifically on this matter.
Then it is not illegal.
Yanks do it all the time. Energency legislation make everything legal.

If laws need changing that'll take time. In the meanwhile, do the pushbacks.
Invoke a different law - do all the things which usually happen in a dispute. In the meantime, you do not give in. Laws are challenged all the time.

 

[motorbiking]

So British border force stop a migrant boat from proceeding towards English coast.

Let’s say it’s turned around, the migrant boat can just travel 100 metres in French waters and turn around again abd head towards English water

Border Force will have to stay there for hours, for days, for weeks? How long?

The longer an overloaded unseaworthy boat is out in the middle of the channel the more in distress it becomes.

Nah, they will comply, they might be upset, they may even jump in the water. Once they are out of fuel, they can be towed. They will end up back in France.

You must be fuming every single argument you have tried, has failed.

No I enjoy educating you, its why I exist

the helmsman can direct propulsion full steam ahead to starboard, result 180 degrees

Oh dear, fail

At which point the two jetskis swap ends or the one on Port steers to port. He has approx. 10hp of barely running outboard against 2x200hp, prop vs jet, flat bottom vs v-hull. He has no rudder, He's at the stern, they are at the bow. He's got no chance

You can see people on board slipping into the water……oops distress situation


That’s a pushback attempt in English territorial waters….oops UNCLOS 98, boat in distress in English waters, obligation to attend by nearest vessel…..have to take to UK

People in distress can be rescued and no need to wait until they are in UK waters. Article 25, paragraph 2 applies.

 

[Justin Passing]

The longer an overloaded unseaworthy boat is out in the middle of the channel the more in distress it becomes.

They brought it on themselves. Decline to apply the irrelevant outdated document. The situation is different. Document wasn't created to cover this.

UNCLOS 98

Decline to accept that it appllies.
We signed something? Well guess what, we changed our mind.

These people are not "fair dealing" they are "gaming". They are trying to cheat. They deserve no recourse to normal rules or rights or standards.

If YOU break a contract, I believe you cannot claim remaining conditions in the contract must be applied in your favour.
That right, MBK?
Like when an employer who failed to pay, just ran out of power to make conditions.

Put that in a law as a reminder to override all others.
Sorted.