Ssssssshhhhhh, don't mention Reform.

[Deleted member 323070]

TomWW

How do you pronounce GPT in French phonetics?

 

[Deleted member 323070]

these boats are 30-70ft they will be entirely visible and within ear shot when they are close to the border and they can be turned back without any issues.

Except for the poor sods that are in the water drowning.

 

[Notch7]

They have an obligation to comply due to a treaty that they signed

doesnt say how they comply with that regulation

hey would probably say to the British boat: "you arent in innocent passage so take em back to England, au revoir"

How else can they perform their obligations.

see above

They would be if they are prevented from entering UK waters

that would be a pushback, already determined as illegal

The European Court of Human Rights ruled on Tuesday that Greece subjected migrants to "systematic pushback" practices in violation of human rights law.

The European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) found "strong indications" of a systematic practice of "pushbacks" by Greek authorities, forcibly returning third-country nationals from Greece's Evros region to Turkey.


dont bother claiming Farridge would leave ECHR that would mean breaking GFA

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Fortunately smarter people than you have run the numbers..

General Election Prediction

Anything more uptodate?

So worse case scenario:
Lab - Lib Dem - Greens and SNP gives 460 seats, which all vote No Confidence. Oh dear!

 

[Deleted member 323070]

For Notch? Fùck. Right. Off.

I'm frequently surprised by the eloquence of your responses.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

I don't think you really understand that boats sit on top of the water and move with the tide at exactly the same speed as the tide. It's only an issue close to land or objects that are fixed to land. Fortunately, people build harbours, walls and marinas to avoid the issue of strong conditions impacting berthing/landing etc.

I wasn't talking about berthing or handling in the harbour. I was referring to boats travelling at sea.
Remember we were discussing the time taken to reach a port depending on the wind, tide and sea conditions?
It may not be the nearest if the sea conditions prevent it.

This was your invention

I didn't invent the ludicrous concept of pushback.

nonsense

You say it's not fair to describe all incidents at sea as unexpected?
That means we can prevent all accidents and incidents at sea?

Oh, look there an iceberg heading towards the Titanic. No worries, it was expected.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

you do know that 12m is just under 40ft

Is that much shorter than 70ft?

 

[Deleted member 323070]

so you was telling porkies

Could you see his lips moving?

 

[motorbiking]

nothing mentioned about the lack of a passenger carrying certificate

they might just be a big family out having a day at the beach

They are a commercial vessel by definition of having more than 12 passengers. They must file and notify. It is an immigration offence not to. Even I have to do it with 4 passengers.

I wonder what article 19g says about a vessel that is in breach of customs and immigration laws?

 

[motorbiking]

doesnt say how they comply with that regulation

hey would probably say to the British boat: "you arent in innocent passage so take em back to England, au revoir"


see above



that would be a pushback, already determined as illegal

The European Court of Human Rights ruled on Tuesday that Greece subjected migrants to "systematic pushback" practices in violation of human rights law.

The European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) found "strong indications" of a systematic practice of "pushbacks" by Greek authorities, forcibly returning third-country nationals from Greece's Evros region to Turkey.


dont bother claiming Farridge would leave ECHR that would mean breaking GFA

Based on the definitions we have been using on this thread. This is a take back, not a push back.

Greece systematically pushing back migrants, rules ECtHR | Euractiv

This is the first time a court has confirmed the systematic nature of Greece's violations of migrants' rights.

www.euractiv.com

 

[Deleted member 323070]

a boat load of illegal immigrants, they have no protection as refugees until they have claimed it.

They can claim it as soon as they land in UK.
And the duty of the rescuers is to land them safely, irrespective of their status, as you keep telling us.

Plenty of illegal immigrants who do not claim asylum are prosecuted for immigration offences,

Of course, they wouldn't be illegal immigrants otherwise.

plenty of people traffickers of illegal immigrants are jailed

How many?
They are arrested in France, UK, Germany, etc, not from a small boat.

and plenty who steer the boat, are jailed.

How many, in comparison to the total asylum seeking refugees?
455 over a 2½ year period.
As a percentage of the small boat arrivals over that time period, that's about 0.4%
Wow, that's plenty.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

nope

I've stated the same thing consistently.

UK has the power to refuse a boat load of illegal immigrants from entering UK waters.
UK or any other vessel has is required to rescue drowning people at sea, in French waters and France has no power to refuse to allow them to disembark in France.

In your post you quoted SOLAS and SARS regulations in your claim that pushbacks are legal.
Here's a screen shot (Noseall's) of the post you were responding to, and your response.

Anyone can clearly that Noseall was discussing the illegality of pushbacks, so you quoted SARS and SOLAS as your justification.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

If we are paying France millions of pounds to stop illegal crossings, then France should have money deducted for every person that reaches the UK. £10k. The same as a lorry driver would pay per illegal that are found in their truck. I’m sure the French would be a bit hotter on stopping them than they currently are.

Wow, you've got the negotiating tactics of President Chump, off to a tee.

 

[Notch7]

Based on the definitions we have been using on this thread. This is a take back, not a push back.

you claim Reforms small boat policy is "workable"

Reforms solution (sic) is to tow the small boats back to French coast -thats a take back

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Any vessel carrying more than 12 passengers is a commercial vessel and must comply with commercial regulations. All vessels must file before departure and report prior to crossing at the 12 mile limit. Which in dover/caliais is still in French waters.

It will therefore be obvious that a boat looking like this heading for UK waters, that is not transmitting AIS, has not filed paperwork and has not called in at the 12 mile limit. is.... not an engaged in innocent passage.

Best charge the captain with piracy then. That'll teach him, and he won't do it again, I bet.

Now which one is the captain?
And who's second in command?