Ssssssshhhhhh, don't mention Reform.

[Notch7]

of course anyone with a working knowledge knows that you cannot define a vessel in distress based on how sh*t it is or how many people are on board.

apparently you can as plenty of experts have concluded pushing back migrant boats is incompatible with international law


if you think otherwise, you clearly need to improve your "working knowledge"


pushbacks are illegal -thats a settled matter -your arguments have been comprehensively destroyed through the course of this thread.

 

[noseall]

what protections do you have now, that you didn't have before?

Eh? I have not the faintest idea what you are waffling about.
I'm saying we won't leave ECHR because it's pointless, uneccesary and politically messy (GFA etc).

 

[Notch7]

I wonder if I should forcibly rescue this guy.

not relevant, Newton Creek isnt the open sea, nobody was doing a pushback, it wasnt overloaded with people.

zero equivalence

 

[Notch7]

why is Nigel Farage so desperate to leave the ECHR when it wont sort out the small boats crisis.

 

[noseall]

There are of course other laws which require commercial vessels to be seaworthy.

None of which allow the use of force to endanger those on board another vessel.
Lay off the deck varnish boyo, you are hallucinating again.

 

[MNW67]

Eh? I have not the faintest idea what you are waffling about.
I'm saying we won't leave ECHR because it's pointless, uneccesary and politically messy (GFA etc).

It certainly wouldn't look good to be lumped together with Russia and Belorussia. Our moral standing would be badly diminished.

The ECHR might change anyway. I saw this headline in the Times:

ECHR ‘must adapt to face growing backlash against migration’

The council’s secretary-general, Alain Berset, said in a rare interview there should be ‘no taboo’ about changing the convention’s rules

www.thetimes.com

 

[noseall]

It certainly wouldn't look good to be lumped together with Russia and Belorussia.

We have our own robust HR laws regardless of the European Court. Forrige is selling snake oil to morons and shmucks.

 

[MNW67]

We have our own robust HR laws regardless of the European Court. Forrige is selling snake oil to morons and shmucks.

Are you talking about the Human Rights Act? Because I think Farage wants to get rid of that, too. If not, what HR laws do you mean?

 

[motorbiking]

not relevant, Newton Creek isnt the open sea, nobody was doing a pushback, it wasnt overloaded with people.

zero equivalence

So it matters what type sea a person is on. Better stop the RNLI from patrolling the thames

 

[motorbiking]

apparently you can as plenty of experts have concluded pushing back migrant boats is incompatible with international law


if you think otherwise, you clearly need to improve your "working knowledge"


pushbacks are illegal -thats a settled matter -your arguments have been comprehensively destroyed through the course of this thread.

Not what they said.

 

[motorbiking]

None of which allow the use of force to endanger those on board another vessel.
Lay off the deck varnish boyo, you are hallucinating again.

Why would someone use force to endanger someone?

Changing a vessels course would not place it in any particular additional danger. The boat does not know which way it's going.

 

[motorbiking]

why is Nigel Farage so desperate to leave the ECHR when it wont sort out the small boats crisis.

We have our own robust HR laws regardless of the European Court. Forrige is selling snake oil to morons and shmucks.

Because Tony Blair's Human Rights Act went too far and has caused all sorts of problems.

 

[MNW67]

Because Tony Blair's Human Rights Act went too far and has caused all sorts of problems.

What does the Human Rights Act do which the ECHR doesn't.

 

[Notch7]

Reform’s “DOGE” is a superficial response to deep problems in local government​

Reform should rethink its plans to copy the DOGE approach

Improving productivity in services is certainly achievable. But in most cases it will require careful planning, and targeted investment in IT systems and the public estate, not a populist chainsaw.


It won’t be long before Farages performative nonsense will be shown up for the pathetic publicity stunt that it is.

 

[motorbiking]

What does the Human Rights Act do which the ECHR doesn't.

The HRA requires:

1 UK law to be interpreted in a way that is compatible with the ECHR.
2 Public authorities to act compatibly with the ECHR.
3 Government ministers, when introducing legislation, to publish a statement on its compatibility with the ECHR.

https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/human-rights-act-1998-does-it-need-replacing/

It doesn't stop incompatible law being made law (e.g. border force to push back illegal boats), but it does slow it all down and cost the tax payer a sh*t load. Human Rights Lawyers are something like 20% of the industry now.