Ssssssshhhhhh, don't mention Reform.

[motorbiking]

The simple fact is that we currently offer the illegals a gold standard taxi service. They are frequently escorted by French ships who hail the cab from the RNLI or Border Force. We have a 42% increase in illegals this year to date under Labour.

Reforms idea of hostility will reduce the numbers significantly. I highly doubt any physical push back would be needed.

“Turn back or we will arrest the skipper for people trafficking. You will go to prison for a long time.”

I think many will turn back. It doesn’t mean it would not be legal to use force.

 

[Notch7]

Actually I posted an amendment which extended some of the requirements of the merchant shipping act to personal powered water craft.

A jet ski is a PWC, it is not a ship or small ship in every regard.

You posted a desperate deflection attempt

What you posted has any effect on the International rules defined by UNCLOS.

UNCLOS does not define the meaning of ‘ship’ or ‘vessel’

It makes zero difference whether jet skis are used as push backs / turn arounds or pedalos or cruise ships.

 

[motorbiking]

You posted a desperate deflection attempt

What you posted has any effect on the International rules defined by UNCLOS.

UNCLOS does not define the meaning of ‘ship’ or ‘vessel’

It makes zero difference whether jet skis are used as push backs / turn arounds or pedalos or cruise ships.

Nonsense.

 

[Notch7]

We have a 42% increase in illegals this year to date under Labour.

Cherry picked period.

If you want an accurate assessment, use the last year Tories were in power


Since 11 months Labour have been in govt there have been LESS illegals than last 12 months of Tories.

Doing pro rata on Labours 11 months, it can be seen illegals under Labour are DOWN 10% from Tories.

 

[motorbiking]

That’s cherry picking.

 

[Notch7]

That’s cherry picking.

I've taken the whole of Labours period in office.

How can that be cherry picking, it's literally data covering the entire time they have been in power.

 

[motorbiking]

Since 11 months Labour have been in govt there have been LESS illegals than last 12 months of Tories.

Are you actually stupid?

11 months vs 12 months.

 

[Notch7]

Are you actually stupid?

11 months vs 12 months.

I've already stated "Pro rata"

 

[motorbiking]

So you’re not making a month to month comparison? Cherry picking then.

 

[Notch7]

So you’re not making a month to month comparison? Cherry picking then.

ok lets compare last 6 months of 2022 and last 6 months of 2024

 

[noseall]

Human rights at sea expert Sofia Galani also affirms that people in the territorial waters of a state are within its jurisdiction for the purposes of human rights, which the state must respect and protect.

Such rights would include giving people access to a procedure that determines their refugee status, and ensuring that there is no collective expulsion of people. In the Hirsi case, the court held that Italian authorities violated the European Convention on Human Rights by not examining each applicant’s individual situation.

When officials turn back boats, they risk breaching the rights and obligations enshrined in international human rights law. The exercising of these rights is not affected by any potential migration offences that may have been committed. There could also be breaches of refugee law depending on the circumstances, such as the principle of non-refoulement, which prevents states from forcing asylum seekers and refugees back to a place where they may face persecution.

There is no obligation in international law to seek asylum in the first safe country, and there are many reasons why individuals choose not to do so.

 

[noseall]

According to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), external and the International Convention on Maritime Search and Rescue (SAR Convention), external, states are allowed to pick people up from boats if they are "found at sea in danger of being lost".

But these laws do not allow them to be taken to another state without that country agreeing.

In fact, Article 19 of UNCLOS says that if a "foreign ship" enters another country's territorial waters it will "be considered to be prejudicial to the peace" if "it engages in the loading or unloading of any... person contrary to the immigration laws" of that country.

 

[noseall]

How Border Force planned to turn back migrant boats with batons and armour​

New documents submitted to the Cranston Inquiry gave a detailed account of how the UK planned to intercept dinghies and turn them back into French waters.​

By Michael Knowles, Home Affairs and Defence Editor
16:04, Fri, Apr 11, 2025 | UPDATED: 16:06, Fri, Apr 11, 2025
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A French RIB shadows a migrant dinghy (Image: STEVE FINN PHOTOGRAPHY)
Border Force drew up plans to give officers batons and armour in case migrants jumped onto their boat whilst being turned around, it can be revealed. New documents submitted to the Cranston Inquiry gave a detailed account of how the UK planned to intercept dinghies and turn them back into French waters.
The plans were eventually dropped over safety concerns. But their publication comes at a time when French police are finalising their tactics to begin intercepting boats in shallow waters.

 

[noseall]

The simple fact is that we currently offer the illegals a gold standard taxi service. They are frequently escorted by French ships who hail the cab from the RNLI or Border Force. We have a 42% increase in illegals this year to date under Labour.

Reforms idea of hostility will reduce the numbers significantly. I highly doubt any physical push back would be needed.

“Turn back or we will arrest the skipper for people trafficking. You will go to prison for a long time.”

I think many will turn back. It doesn’t mean it would not be legal to use force.

Fantasy.

 

[Highway Man]

I would happily push them back. It is not our problem that they choose to sail in an unsafe vessel or overload it. I am not talking about purposely tipping them up or hurting them in any way. Simply stopping them from entering our waters. There is no other way to stop them, if they know that we are not allowed to turn them back then we are causing the problem. Simple as that.