Sunderland gets what it voted for...

[ban-all-sheds]

Nissan's decision is based on uncertainty about Brexit. Not about Brexit itself, but uncertainty about Brexit. Those who voted to leave the EU are not the cause of this uncertainty; Theresa May and her government are.

Those who voted to leave are responsible for creating the conditions for the "uncertainty" to have arisen.

I mean, look at the way that the Tories have been riven by the EU question for decades - who on earth in their right mind can say that this chaos could not have been reasonably foreseen? Their divisions are such that there was never a good chance of them being able to come together, put all that behind them, and start to behave coherently.

Sunderland has NOT got what it voted for.

Oh yes it has.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Have the Brexers agreed yet what sort of Brexit they want? Have they agreed it with EU27? If not, then the Brexers are responsible for the shambolic uncertainty.

Some of the maddest ones still favour no-deal.

The people of Sunderland were not offered a choice of what sort of Brexit they could get, so you can't ever pretend they will be getting what they voted for.

You could equally well have written:

The people of Sunderland were not offered a choice of what sort of Brexit they could get, so you can't ever pretend they will not be getting what they voted for.​

 

[Vinty]

You could equally well have written:

The people of Sunderland were not offered a choice of what sort of Brexit they could get, so you can't ever pretend they will not be getting what they voted for.​

No jobs have been lost, so what are you going on about.
Businesses change their plans all the time.
If the Government saves £39 billion in a no deal scenario then they can create a lot more jobs than Nissan ever will.

 

[ellal]

No jobs have been lost, so what are you going on about.

Future jobs have been lost, and the run down of investment means that it is inevitable that current jobs will go when plants are deemed 'uneconomical' in the years to come.

Businesses change their plans all the time.

But so many, and at the same time?

If the Government saves £39 billion in a no deal scenario then they can create a lot more jobs than Nissan ever will.

Firstly, the government has spent that many times over in promises over keeping the current subsidies and given the fall in GDP after a no deal £39bn is but a drop in the ocean...
And when have you known them to be any good at creating jobs other than those in bureaucracy, rather than jobs for the general population?

Secondly, how well do you think those 'easiest in history' trade deals will develop if the UK reneges on it's financial commitments?

 

[noseall]

If the Government saves £39 billion in a no deal scenario then they can create a lot more jobs than Nissan ever will.

If, lol. Vinty is pinning his hopes on a no-deal in the desperate hope it will close down our commitment liabilities and make the UK rich!

FFS you could not make it up. We would pay it in instalments in any case.

Thick as sh it.

 

[durhamplumber]

Sunderland is a clone of many cities in this country.Former ship building city,all gone,former mining area,all gone..Like all places,full of mostly v decent honest hard working people wanting to be prosperous and happy.Places evolve,things change but communities and people adapt.

 

[durhamplumber]

Remainiacs are right,,of course,,no one knew the precise details of a brexit.We still do not...They do seem to be revelling in the pain its causing tho,,just so they can sit back,smug,and say "told you so".Helps no one that attitude.Like our towns and cities,they need to adapt,and come to terms with life after EU.

 

[JohnD]

Not revelling.

Pointing it out to people who refuse to acknowledge it and are determined to pull the rest of us over the cliff.

 

[durhamplumber]

Not revelling.

Pointing it out to people who refuse to acknowledge it and are determined to pull the rest of us over the cliff.

Refuse to acknowledge what,exactly?There you go again,,,revelling in the impending doom,,,get over it,,no cliff,,an economic change,,are you going to adapt? Or be a forever "told you so"?...reminiscing to your grand kids of the halcyon EU days.

 

[Vinty]

If, lol. Vinty is pinning his hopes on a no-deal in the desperate hope it will close down our commitment liabilities and make the UK rich!

FFS you could not make it up. We would pay it in instalments in any case.

Thick as sh it.

If, lol. Vinty is pinning his hopes on a no-deal in the desperate hope it will close down our commitment liabilities and make the UK rich!

FFS you could not make it up. We would pay it in instalments in any case.

Thick as sh it.

Under the Withdrawal agreement Britain was obliged to pay £39billion ,under a no deal Britain isn't obliged to pay the EU anything.
Although the EU could try to sue Britain.
You are thick as ****.

 

[SirGalahad]

Under the Withdrawal agreement Britain was obliged to pay £39billion ,under a no deal Britain isn't obliged to pay the EU anything.
Although the EU could try to sue Britain.
You are thick as ****.

You have conveniently proven how wrong you are again. The £39 billion is what we committed to paying whilst in the EU. The issue is whether it is legally enforceable to pay it- then it becomes a question of jurisdiction.

So we have a No Deal and decide not to pay. The EU can turn around and say ok - we won't trade with you. Other countries will look at the UK unilateral approach and think perhaps it's not a great idea to trade with a country that tears up agreements that it doesn't like.

It's like saying to the credit card company I am not going to pay the debt I owe but I would like to get a new credit card from you. I wonder how you think that would work out for you.

 

[ellal]

Remainiacs are right,,of course,,no one knew the precise details of a brexit.We still do not...

But, but...

Quitters have been telling us all along that they knew EXACTLY what they voted for...

Funny how that when the brown stuff is getting closer and closer to the fan, the quitters are trying to re-write their own rhetoric!

Linky

 

[sodthisforfun]

But, but...

Quitters have been telling us all along that they knew EXACTLY what they voted for...


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You shouldn't assume all brexiteers on the handful of hard brexiteers on here. There are many people out there who voted without knowing exactly what was going to happen.

It's a bit like calling all brexiteers racist.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

No jobs have been lost, so what are you going on about.
Businesses change their plans all the time.
If the Government saves £39 billion in a no deal scenario then they can create a lot more jobs than Nissan ever will.

Can you not even try to be better at this?

JohnD said

"The people of Sunderland were not offered a choice of what sort of Brexit they could get, so you can't ever pretend they will be getting what they voted for."​

I pointed out that he could equally well have said

"The people of Sunderland were not offered a choice of what sort of Brexit they could get, so you can't ever pretend they will not be getting what they voted for."​

The "what" is irrelevant. Whatever they get, be it ending up living in ditches or joining the international playboy circuit, it is just as true to say that they got what they voted for as they didn't get it.

Nothing to do with jobs.

Nothing to do with business plans.

Nothing to do with deal or no deal.

Nothing to do with £39 billion.

Everything to do with voting for whatever it is they end up with.

 

[ellal]

You shouldn't assume all brexiteers on the handful of hard brexiteers on here. There are many people out there who voted without knowing exactly what was going to happen.

Hence why there is a need for those unfortunate enough not to have understood what they were voting for to make their choice with up to date information as and when we get it...