My daughter has asked me to replace this light with a security light with a P.I.R.
My idea was to put a junction box where the fitting is, and put the new light above it.
I'm sure there must a better way, would someone like to tell me it?
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My daughter has asked me to replace this light with a security light with a P.I.R.
My idea was to put a junction box where the fitting is, and put the new light above it.
I'm sure there must a better way, would someone like to tell me it?
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why bother with a junction box?
Plenty of lights with built in PIRs that aren't floodlights
Plenty of lights with built in PIRs that aren't floodlights
Because, I fitted two other lights for her, one on the back and one on the side, and they both came with a cable attached that was sealed into the fitting. My mate told me that they are all like that now.
Also, the cable prodruding from the wall is all that is accessible.
pics of the new light will help
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It's not been bought yet but I had this in mind.
As I said earlier, other styles of lights have PIRs built in
She doesn't want a lantern or a bulkhead fitting. She wants a bright light, like the one I linked to.
The one you linked to does usually have a junc box to connect through. The box can be hidden behind the light though.
I fitted two of those on the back of her house. They don't come with a junction box, just a hard wired cable coming out of the back of the light.
The worst thing that you can do is to install any "Security" light with a "built-in" PIR sensor.
The (relatively "Cheap") PIR sensor usually provided is quite likely to "fail" before the "Lamp" does !
Hence, one should install a (quality) PIR sensor separately from the lamp which it operates.
Most PIR sensors have internal connections which can act as a "Junction Box".
While connecting them together on a Wooden (Stud) wall is usually quite easy, the "trick" is to find how to connect the two together on a Masonry Wall - such as you appear to have,
Good Luck.
Using a separate P.I.R. and light might be the way to go. There is limited space above the hole where the cable comes out and I was trying to make the best use of what is available.
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I have in the main got rid of my PIR lamps, cats, squirrels, and even trees waving in the wind can switch them on, and with such a powerful lamp you need a sensitive PIR to work at the distance that light covers, with tungsten 150 watt was the limit without planning permission, that's about 24 watt with LED, seems the building regulations have not caught up yet it would be around 1250 lumen so the lamp you show is really OTT.
Mine I think are around 10 watt, which is ample to see where you are going, but for a night BBQ maybe not enough, but would not want it PIR controlled for a BBQ.
I use dust till dawn smart controls, so I turn on lights only for welcome visitors, intruders I don't care if they trip over the lawn mower, serves them right they should not be there.
I put up a small outside light in the last house, likely 40 watt tungsten with a built in PIR, it worked for many years without a problem, until next door fitted an illegal flood lamp also with PIR, 300 watt quartz halogen, if neither light was triggered then no problem. But if they were triggered, then mine would switch off as theirs was so bright, then theirs would switch off, the change in inferred would cause mine to then switch on, which would trigger theirs, so like having a belisha beacon in back garden.
So now my outside light switches on at 6:30 am and off at dawn Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, milk comes latter on a Saturday.
Mine I think are around 10 watt, which is ample to see where you are going, but for a night BBQ maybe not enough, but would not want it PIR controlled for a BBQ.
I use dust till dawn smart controls, so I turn on lights only for welcome visitors, intruders I don't care if they trip over the lawn mower, serves them right they should not be there.
I put up a small outside light in the last house, likely 40 watt tungsten with a built in PIR, it worked for many years without a problem, until next door fitted an illegal flood lamp also with PIR, 300 watt quartz halogen, if neither light was triggered then no problem. But if they were triggered, then mine would switch off as theirs was so bright, then theirs would switch off, the change in inferred would cause mine to then switch on, which would trigger theirs, so like having a belisha beacon in back garden.
So now my outside light switches on at 6:30 am and off at dawn Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, milk comes latter on a Saturday.
What a complicated life you seem to have, Eric.
Did not 500W used to be the norm and no one knew about (bothered with) planning permission for 'a light'?
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It is. You can then locate the PIR where it will actually work properly, which is almost always NOT where the light is.
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