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THE PROOF= DIY gas work is almost always illegal

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either way, if a DIYer were to install a boiler which lead to someone's death would they possibly not be charged with manslaughter?

Competence applies equally to DIY and pro work.

Read through. All clear and no responses countering
the law please. The law is the law.

On CORGI's web site in the section on achieving ACS
Accreditation.

Quote:

" Until 1998, gas installers could achieve
certificates of competence through a number of
different certification schemes - resulting in an
inconsistency of standards across the UK. Those
separate schemes have now been replaced by the
Nationally Accredited Certification Scheme for
Individual Gas Fitting Operatives (ACS).

This means that all operatives are assessed within
nationally agreed standards, to gain certificates
that need renewal every five years. Assessments are
available from some 150 centres around the UK. Each
of these has been approved by one of six
certification bodies accredited by the United Kingdom
Accreditation Service (UKAS).

All gas installation businesses and operatives must
be in a 'class of persons' approved by the Health and
Safety Executive. That currently means they must be
registered with CORGI."


This does not apply to DIY work. CORGI, as one would
expect, say "could be dangerous" and
"likely to be illegal". They are hardly
likely to say on a public web site that it's a great
idea and everyone should try. CORGI did not say
"DIY gas work is Illegal".


Here is the referring Statutory Instrument.

http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si1998/19982451.htm

The HSE is fully aware that DIY gas work happens.
They've just published a complete Fundamental Review
w of Gas Safety

http://www.hse.gov.uk/gas/index.htm

in which there is a section discussing DIY

http://www.hse.gov.uk/fundgas.htm

People can read it for themselves, but:

DIY installation and maintenance

Question 30. Should DIY work be legally prohibited,
eg by restricting the sale of gas equipment to
registered gas installers? Should retailers be
legally required to record sales of gas equipment and
pass these to a central body, perhaps CORGI? Should
any central body selected for this purpose be
required to arrange the inspection of gas
installation work in any case where the record of
sale suggests work will be carried out by an
unregistered installer? Should increased publicity on
the dangers of DIY gas work be given by (i) HSE
campaigns, (ii) manufacturer's warnings, (iii) other
means? (HSC Discussion Document 'Gas Safety Review:
option for change', DDE14a, Page 50)

Recommendation 26

226. We understand concern about the possible risks
posed by incompetent DIY gas work, but believe at
present there is insufficient hard evidence of
incidents to support the introduction of a legal ban.
However, we recognise that current statistics might
not tell the full story and recommend that further
work be done more accurately to identify the scale of
the problem, ie by refining arrangements for
reporting incidents specifically to identify those
related to DIY (see Recommendation 9), with a view to
reviewing the legal position again (say in five years
time).

227. In the meantime, we recommend that increased
publicity should be given to the dangers of DIY gas
work (possibly funded through industry and the Gas
Safety Levy - see Recommendations 7 and 11). This
should focus more on legal requirements for
competence if DIY is undertaken, and penalties if
these are not met. More encouragement should also be
given to retailers for providing 'point of sale'
information, and equipment manufacturers to include
warnings
with products.

Analysis of responses

228. Of a total 109 responses to Q 30, 54 supported
the principle of banning DIY with 35 specifically
against; whereas 44 were in favour of a ban in
practice with 47 against (NB some voted just for
principle or practice, others for both). The similar
question in the consumer document resulted in 29
favouring a ban with 31 against and 1 unclear.
Replies to the public questionnaire showed 285 in
favour of a ban with 54 against. The issue was also
posted on a DIY Internet web site which provoked a
number of responses from those practising DIY gas
work; these were against more legal controls but
generally supported further publicity, stressing
competence requirements for DIY rather than
frightening people away from doing it.

Argument

232. Data currently available suggests that a number
of gas incidents have occurred over recent years
where DIY is directly or indirectly implicated, but,
the link is not always entirely clear and in some
cases it is possible for other factors to have
contributed. At present we do not believe that this
evidence is sufficiently strong to suggest that
current legal controls (ie for competence under GSIUR
regulation 3(1)) are inadequate, and an
absolute ban needs to be placed on DIY.



If you look at some of the rest of the report, and
contributing consultants reports concerning dangers
in the home in general, you will read that in the gas
arena, CO poisoning is by far and away the biggest
issue, and that all gas related accidents in the home
are a tiny proportion of the total. Ergo, DIY gas
work is not a major focus area for the HSE at
present.

That's pretty definitive. This statement from above
says it all...if an "absolute ban needs to be
placed on DIY"
(as there is not one).
Then it is obviously legal.

Again.....
"At present we do not believe that this evidence
is sufficiently strong to suggest that current legal
controls (ie for competence under GSIUR regulation
3(1)) are inadequate, and an absolute ban needs to be
placed on DIY."

DIY GAS WORK is LEGAL
 
ChrisR wrote

I get a good number of diyers who have put in their own boiler or a boiler for a relative (which IS illegal), and want it "signed off". Every one has errors, and some fires are downright lethal.

Get away. :roll:
Obviously not competent then eh ?.
 
ChrisR wrote

I get a good number of diyers who have put in their own boiler or a boiler for a relative (which IS illegal), and want it "signed off". Every one has errors, and some fires are downright lethal.

Get away. :roll:
Obviously not competent then eh ?.

Yep. They can be done if left in such a state. That is why we have laws to curb such appalling installations from pros and DIYers alike.
 
Hey Driv, this is obviously a very emotive subject, have you noticed how high the number of views is, and its climbing rapidly. Not many posting but plenty looking. Do you reckon this is a record.

I think they are having laugh at the idiot mod (KevvieBabe), deleting the posts and making himself look an even bigger prat.

Sorry, but what was the posts?

Dan
 
So, if as I been working on a new system on a odd weekend( on other post ) for my brother's brother-in-law, only that he paying for the heating stuff, I'm doing it for nothing because he is tight with money, and I don't mind doing it as I love this job. As for the gas, I was going to do the gas pipe and get a corgi to cerf. it. He been visiting for a cuppa and a look.

So you saying as I know how the boiler work, gaspipe, gas test etc. and a corgi installer manual and been on BPEC gas course years ago, so I knew this and that, am I allow to work ( 8 service, 1 new pcb, 1 new fan, 1 new APS ) on my own boiler ( Baxi Solo 2 ) in my own home?

Dan
 
Here go Driv, have a look at this bit from HSE site

In particular the Regulations require:

individual gas installers or gas installation businesses to be a member of a class of persons approved by HSE, which is currently CORGI .

A sole trader working for money is a business, an individual gas installer, is a person working on gas for other purposes, ie diy, charity,uncle, in-law etc.

Found another quote.

HSE inspector Barbara Francis said: “We will prosecute people who work on gas appliances without the proper accreditation. In this case, the risk was fire or explosion but improperly maintained appliances can also give rise to carbon monoxide (CO) which is potentially lethal. You cannot see, smell or taste CO fumes, leaving anyone exposed feeling unwell. In the worst situations, CO can kill without warning in just hours.

“The law requires that only trained, competent people work on gas appliances, and the only accreditation currently recognised by HSE is membership of CORGI.

Also found this in a document

DIY installation and maintenance
Question 30. Should DIY work be legally prohibited, eg by restricting the sale of gas
equipment to registered gas installers?
Should retailers be legally required to record sales of gas equipment and pass
these to a central body, perhaps CORGI?
Should any central body selected for this purpose be required to arrange the
inspection of gas installation work in any case where the record of sale suggests
work will be carried out by an unregistered installer?
Should increased publicity on the dangers of DIY gas work be given by (i) HSE
campaigns, (ii) manufacturer’s warnings, (iii) other means? (DD Page 50)
Recommendation 26
226. We understand concern about the possible risks posed by incompetent DIY
gas work, but believe at present there is insufficient hard evidence of incidents to
support the introduction of a legal ban. However, we recognise that current
statistics might not tell the full story and recommend that further work be done more
accurately to identify the scale of the problem, ie by refining arrangements for
reporting incidents specifically to identify those related to DIY (see
Recommendation 9), with a view to reviewing the legal position again (say in five
years time).
227. In the meantime, we recommend that increased publicity should be given to
the dangers of DIY gas work (possibly funded through industry and the Gas Safety
Levy - see Recommendations 7 and 11). This should focus more on legal
requirements for competence if DIY is undertaken, and penalties if these are not
met. More encouragement should also be given to retailers for providing ‘point of
sale’ information, and equipment manufacturers to include warnings with products.

I've pasted the sentence/phrase

"This should focus more on legal
requirements for competence if DIY is undertaken, and penalties if these are not
 
Driv, er-indoors is home soon so I got to cook dinner, she has got the weekend shift all easter. How does this sound.

1) Certain aspects of diy on gas are legal if done competently.
2) Due to legislation some aspects of gas work can not be performed legally on a diy basis

Is this an acceptable compromise?
 
Driv, er-indoors is home soon so I got to cook dinner, she has got the weekend shift all easter. How does this sound.

1) Certain aspects of diy on gas are legal if done competently.
2) Due to legislation some aspects of gas work can not be performed legally on a diy basis

Is this an acceptable compromise?

No, it depends on our competence.

I can DIY gas with the best of you and a damn sight better in some cases
 
Why offer a compromise why not just admit that DD`s main point that it is not illegal is correct.
Out interest and are any of you going to be honest how many of you have worked on appliances/meters that you don`t have a ticket for or done work before you where fully registered in your own right .Did this make you incompotent ?
Yes i have
 
Some diy gas work is legal, but certain gas work is not legal if completed from start to finsh by a diy practitioner.
Therfore diy gas work is not legal, just some of it.
 
Dont see what the problem is. I say let DIYers do gas work. Their tinkering means more work for me (as a RGI). What RGIs should do is levy a punishment fee when they are asked to carry out repairs to DIY botch ups.
 
So give an example of what would be illegal and why if it is done in householders own house by themselves
 

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