The truth about 'Road Pricing'...
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tim west said:
The people were promised a referendum two years ago by labour on the EU constitution which will have far reaching implications for the people of the UK. Now Brown tells us their is no need as the blueprint has been amended.
Thats funny because anyone of any importance who is involved in this latest document says the original workings of the draft are fully preserved.
So much for democracy.
Wonder what Rambo thinks ?.
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The EU are not the driving force behind the new passport system that has been introduced, nor are they the driving force behind our ID system. It is the Americans.
The Americans cannot introduce such levels of control there due to their constitution, it would lieterally cause the country to break apart and collapse into the worst civil unrest since the civil war. However they can control who enters their country if others introduce such control measures.
People, please, there is a lot wrong with the current set up in Brussels, and I am certainly no supporter of the current structure, but lets make certain that the correct blame is apportioned where it should be.
The EU's Human Rights legislation prevents the tracking of individuals. Actually it also prevents the data tracking of commercially owned vehicles except where there is a significant rick of criminal activity, such as cash transport vehicles or those carrying other high value commodities, or where the vehicle has an emergency responce role, such as AA, RAC, Police, Ambulance etc.
Whilst the regulations allow data trackers to be fitted to vehicles, they cannot be monitored, and can only be used in the event of theft of the vehicle or with the drivers written consent. To track without permission is an offence, even in the UK.
Europe is not the enemy many think it is, Yes it is badly organised and there is endemic corruption and both of these problems needs to be urgently addressed, but you'd be surprised at how much dodgy legislation simply comes from our Government but they are happy to let Europe take the rap.
The Americans cannot introduce such levels of control there due to their constitution, it would lieterally cause the country to break apart and collapse into the worst civil unrest since the civil war. However they can control who enters their country if others introduce such control measures.
People, please, there is a lot wrong with the current set up in Brussels, and I am certainly no supporter of the current structure, but lets make certain that the correct blame is apportioned where it should be.
The EU's Human Rights legislation prevents the tracking of individuals. Actually it also prevents the data tracking of commercially owned vehicles except where there is a significant rick of criminal activity, such as cash transport vehicles or those carrying other high value commodities, or where the vehicle has an emergency responce role, such as AA, RAC, Police, Ambulance etc.
Whilst the regulations allow data trackers to be fitted to vehicles, they cannot be monitored, and can only be used in the event of theft of the vehicle or with the drivers written consent. To track without permission is an offence, even in the UK.
Europe is not the enemy many think it is, Yes it is badly organised and there is endemic corruption and both of these problems needs to be urgently addressed, but you'd be surprised at how much dodgy legislation simply comes from our Government but they are happy to let Europe take the rap.
Don't know, this quote below is from the book I'm reading(?)ellal said:
Stulz is right regarding the ID card and it was George W.Bush that told the EU that Europeans should carry them and the EU agreed with the Americans
Britons are going to have to carry ID cards if we remain in the EU. It is EU policy. The Italian Government, for example, has stated that ID cards will strengthen the feeling of unity within the EU'. (We will, presumably, all have matching EU ID cards in the same way that we now have all matching EU passports.)
English politicians are reluctant to admit that ideas like this come from Brussels. There are two reasons for their reluctance: first, they know that the public will be even more unwilling to accept the proposal and second they don't like to admit just how little power they have.
I wanted to get some clarity on the position of the EU regarding ID cards so decided to spend a couple of hours, as it turned out, searching the entire Europa site and drawing a blank on any Policy etc that directly related to EU member states, despite trying about 10 different search methods.
I tried google, and only got press reports, which I do not base much faith in for accuracy.
Frustrated at the seemingly total lack of information I contacted the EU directly via the Login service on Europa Direct and ask some questions..here is the conversation.
Obviously there is a lot there I did not put here, like the waiting for Mateus to hunt out the information and get the help of a supervisor to find some of it and the general chit chat that went into the converstaion and Mateus's own personal thoughts on the whole ID issue. He said that they get far more calls from the Mainland EU on this issue than the UK as many in some nations have been told that their ID systems will be scrapped, and they do not agree with it.
I think what this shows is that a lot of the information that is out there, especially in the press, is diluted, twisted or outright lies to serve an agenda. It is in the interests of the Government to blame the EU because if it all goes pear shaped them they have a scape goat 90% of the population will accept!
Most things are never as simple and straight forward as they seem, especially when dealing with Politics.
I tried google, and only got press reports, which I do not base much faith in for accuracy.
Frustrated at the seemingly total lack of information I contacted the EU directly via the Login service on Europa Direct and ask some questions..here is the conversation.
Obviously there is a lot there I did not put here, like the waiting for Mateus to hunt out the information and get the help of a supervisor to find some of it and the general chit chat that went into the converstaion and Mateus's own personal thoughts on the whole ID issue. He said that they get far more calls from the Mainland EU on this issue than the UK as many in some nations have been told that their ID systems will be scrapped, and they do not agree with it.
I think what this shows is that a lot of the information that is out there, especially in the press, is diluted, twisted or outright lies to serve an agenda. It is in the interests of the Government to blame the EU because if it all goes pear shaped them they have a scape goat 90% of the population will accept!
Most things are never as simple and straight forward as they seem, especially when dealing with Politics.
Stulz said:
So...(taking this 'discussion' at face value)
Is there anything in there that says the EU is driving the UK passport/ID card systems as regards a database/tracking or use of any biometric other than a photo?
At the heart of the EU is Germany, and for historical reasons they will not allow 'numbering' of the population!
So the idea of the EU driving this is b*llshit!
Also the idea that the US is pushing the EU is wide of the mark...It is the software companies that are pushing this and 'treasure island' (aka the UK) is the perfect testing ground!
When Iraq invaded Kuwait and abducted many people, as soon as the allies repelled them the local authorities were able to assess the situation using a single CD which contained a full list of every Kuwaiti.
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