Third Party Inspector scheme - not going to happen.

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This article is in Connections magazine, but the text can be read here:
http://www.voltimum.co.uk/articles/...hird-party-inspector-scheme-over-safety-fears

TP inspection scheme is where householders could DIY some notifiable electrical work and then get an electrician registered with a scheme to go and certify it afterwards.

Certsure are not going to operate such a scheme, and as that eliminates both NICEIC and ELECSA, this effectively means there won't be any TP inspectors.

Not very likely that any householders would have used it anyway.
 
Certsure are not going to operate such a scheme, and as that eliminates both NICEIC and ELECSA, this effectively means there won't be any TP inspectors. ... Not very likely that any householders would have used it anyway.
Quite so - I'm not sure that (m)any of us believed it would ever happen, did we?

The idea might have had more chance of getting off the ground (a reasonable amount to certify) had it been proposed earlier than last April - but to come up with the idea at the very same time as there was a drastic reduction in the amount of work that would be notifiable seemed particularly doomed to failure.

Kind Regards, John.
 
The idea might have had more chance of getting off the ground ...
Or if all scheme members (ie "part P" qualified as the public see it) were automatically allowed to do TP inspections. Having it as a different "ticket" was never going to get off the ground.

TBH, had all scheme members automatically been allowed to do it then I might well have used it from time to time. I'd rather pay a friendly spark than LABC ! I'll be doing some notifiable work before too long so there's £150 (or possibly £225) for "a bit of paper" :x
 
The idea might have had more chance of getting off the ground ...
Or if all scheme members (ie "part P" qualified as the public see it) were automatically allowed to do TP inspections. Having it as a different "ticket" was never going to get off the ground.
True - but I'm not actually sure that the proposal excluded that possibility. I never saw the 'qualifications' for a TP inspector defined anywhere, so I guess that was to be left to scheme operators to decide - and they therefore presumably could have decided to add this activity to the 'ticket' which all their members already had. I suspect it's more likely that they saw it (probably wrongly) as facilitating a system which 'deprived their members of work'.

... and, anyway, as I said, there is now so little that is notifiable (in England) that they perhaps just didn't feel it justified any time and effort on their part!

Kind Regards, John
 
I suspect it's more likely that they saw it (probably wrongly) as facilitating a system which 'deprived their members of work'.
Oh silly me, forgetting that they are there for their members' benefit, not our safety :roll: Having sat through a talk by a rep from one of the trade bodies to a non-technical group, I found it hard resisting the temptation to call him on his many lies... err misleading statements about what does and doesn't need one of their members by law.

... and, anyway, as I said, there is now so little that is notifiable (in England) that they perhaps just didn't feel it justified any time and effort on their part!
Probably, but still enough is notifiable to be a bit of a PITA at times.

I expect to be working the system - I'll notify for "replace CU and add circuits", but it might take me quite a few years before I've finished all the work I intend ! Either that, or there'll be a number of sockets next to the CU so I can extend the 'existing" circuits later :wink:
 
Yes, I know this is old, but as it is flagged by the site as relevant to a current thread, it's important that it be updated.

Certsure are not going to operate such a scheme, and as that eliminates both NICEIC and ELECSA, this effectively means there won't be any TP inspectors.

NAPIT & Stroma operate third party inspector registrations.
 
NAPIT & Stroma operate third party inspector registrations.
The Stroma electrical scheme closed 5 years ago.

NAPIT still offer a TP inspector scheme, but very few members are registered for it. Only 14 in the entire BH postcode area according to the NAPIT site.
 
And seemingly few sparks actually test and notify properly anymore. The most common trait is to notify but not provide EICs
 
Yes, I know this is old, but as it is flagged by the site as relevant to a current thread, it's important that it be updated.
Yes indeed, whether a thread is old or relatively new it is no bad thing to update accordingly if it improves current understanding.

Just to mention my take of some of it redf Third Party Certification.
From day 1 of Part P (love it or loathe it) I was registered from Jan 1st 2005 via ELECSA who were against the third party route and I can see their objections and admit they do have a point and I agree (to some extent) with some of those objections.
I jumped ship for the last three years of my working life to STROMA, practially because they were cheaper and not in any respect because I thought ill of ELECSA, it was a business decision to cut costs as I was pretty much a one man band (I occasionally subcontracted to trusted fellows in order to allow them to work alongside me or very rarely to cover my absence at holiday times etc which meant I had to supply those details to HMRC too).

When STROMA then allowed the third party route I then enquired what it required in addition to my normal registration and realised it was a bit more than a tick box excersize but added liabillity insurance cover which in itself along (there were a few additional technicalities toobut not too costly or inconvenient in themselves.
It was the costs of the additional insurance that made me decide not to add it as another string to my bow mainly, along with the expectation of some fellows I knew that were expecting me to cut corners with proper procedure.
Too much hassle really both in fincancial costs compared to what I might gain and the over realistic expectations of others.
When I checked I realised that extremely few of the STROMA registered had added third party inspections to their registration too - maybe for reasons similar to my own.

I wonder if any of you remember the original line up of the schemes available?
FENSA (for windows) had been going a while so had all the notification practicalities sorted out and the "gave birth" to ELECSA.
BSA were around twice the price of all the other schemes and allowed some use of their "Kitemark" as an incentive.
NAPIT were "the new kids on the block" because they came very late on compared to the others and very few in the trade had heard of them at the time initially.

I have happy memories of my time with the assesors at ELECSA and highly recommended them, STROMA were cheaper and the assessor was "OK" a nice chap but I did argue with him when he asked his first question "What comes under Part P?" .
One of the reps of STROMA though was a great bloke who was/is a very respected chap of the IET and is often involved at the seminars at ELEX shows, I consider him one of the "Uncles" on the IET forum too.
 
BSA were around twice the price of all the other schemes and allowed some use of their "Kitemark" as an incentive.

BSI. BSA made guns and bikes and motorcycles etc. :D


NAPIT were "the new kids on the block" because they came very late on compared to the others

13 years before Part P.


I have happy memories of my time with the assesors at ELECSA and highly recommended them, STROMA were cheaper and the assessor was "OK" a nice chap but I did argue with him when he asked his first question "What comes under Part P?" .

That's an easy one.

Electrical installations that are intended to operate at low or extra-low voltage and are -
  • in or attached to a dwelling;
  • in the common parts of a building serving one or more dwellings, but excluding power supplies to lifts;
  • in a building that receives its electricity from a source located within or shared with a dwelling; or
  • in a garden or in or on land associated with a building where the electricity is from a source located within or shared with a dwelling.

Nothing more helpful to getting an assessment to go well than telling the assessor right from the start that he is wrong...
 

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