3rd Party Part-P Certification Schemes?

[JohnW2]

A building control officer (head of them) did tell me that they would never prosecute a failure to notify alone and the strongest sanction would be to tell them not to do it again. ... Only if there is something unsafe and they decided it was bad enough to go after then they would tag on the failure to notify charge. I suspect that outlook to be quite a universal view amongst in building controls too.

As I implied, I feel sure that's probably the case.

... and, as before, I'm not sure that the fact that something was 'seriously unsafe' would come tothie attention, other than 'by accident'!

 

[morqthana]

as soon as it drops to one scheme provider, it will fall foul of the closed shop law,

There's only one Gas Safe register.

 

[ericmark]

The case was brought by Pembrokeshire County Council Trading Standards and heard by Judge Huw Rees at Merthyr Tydfil Crown Court on Monday 20th September 2021, is the only one I know of where the electrician was found guilty and fined when his EICR failed to highlight faults.

Even then it was the fact he did not do what he charged for doing, nothing really to do with the electrics, it could have been any type of home inspection. And had he not pleaded guilty, then not sure how they would have shown he had not done what he said.

I was rather surprised the one time I did use the LABC for work I was doing. I was under the impression the work had already been registered by the bathroom specialist who had run off leaving the work incomplete. So there was it seemed at the time, no alternative but to inform the LABC I was taking over the work, had I known the Builder had not registered the work, likely I would not have involved the LABC.

But one can't untell them.

So it was made very clear that it is the owner who is responsible for registering the work, a builder may do it for the owner, but it is the owner who is responsible for ensuring it is done. The exception is if the tradesman displays any logo or other item anywhere which says he is a scheme member, then it switches to the tradesman to ensure the work is registered.

I expected a permit to work, but non was issued, all word of mouth, which seemed rather unsatisfactory, as the electrician has only word of mouth from the owner that the work is registered. So it would seem if I as the electrician say I was told it was being registered through the LABC I am basically clear.

I completed the electrical installation certificate, and it was hand delivered to the LABC, and a few days latter the completion certificate arrived in the post, no one from LABC even popped his head through the door, other than the day when I got verbal permission to take over the job. The test gear was on display that day, and our qualifications. As to if he looked at it, can't really say, he would not accept my sons C&G 2391 as proof we could do the work, but did accept my degree, because the work was for my mothers disability there was no fee. Otherwise it would have been £100 plus VAT and any costs for third party inspectors.

I was not happy, as son had professional indemnity insurance, and I didn't, so would have liked him to sign as testing the work.

The £100 plus VAT covers first £2000 worth of work, and it seems unlikely a third party inspector could make money at those rates, remembering had the LABC done the inspection, likely they would need to visit at least twice, and as DIY one can expect some snags. I could not use just a third party inspector, as not permitted in Wales.

 

[ebee]

There's only one Gas Safe register.

Why is there only one Monopoly and Mergers Commission? as Screaming Lord Sutch used to ask.

Maybe that is why a few years back I complained to Trading Standards (Twice) about the ASA name as they had no Authority over anything. LOL.
They fobbed me off though

 

[SimonH2]

OP if you want to do notifiable work and keep the right side of the guidance then joining a scheme is the best option and doing the whole job to the appropriate regs and standards

Why ?
If it's a one off, just notify, pay the fee, and send in your certificate/test results.
My experience is that LABC are only interested in having a piece of paper that's a) plausible, abd b) has someone's sugnature on it. This paper is to cover their backsides.

 

[ebee]

Why ?
If it's a one off, just notify, pay the fee, and send in your certificate/test results.
My experience is that LABC are only interested in having a piece of paper that's a) plausible, abd b) has someone's sugnature on it. This paper is to cover their backsides.

Yes but their fees can be prohibitive if you got the fee to pay and the I & T of their approved tester too. The got stopped from doing adding that fee on by a civil servant quite early on in part p but unfortunately she died in a cycling accident ( I think that might have been Anne Hemmings if my memory serves me correctly) and they became allowed to charge that later on. So two fees to pay stacked against one probably (hopefully not a fortune) by a registered installer or DIY if you can then either convince the LA you got adequate quals an experience but there still has the two fees to pay anyway as against that fiasco. or keep quiet and carry on and hope you are not detected and there are no big issues with that.
Good innit? (not)