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UK Australia Trade Deal

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by SirGalahad, 16 Jun 2021.

  1. Scarlet Pimpernel

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    What an excellent way to improve the economies of impoverished nations.

    What is the UK doing? Reducing foreign aid.
     
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    And have a firm job offer that pays well above what the jobs most EU (and UK) workers can expect to get...

    Plus no guarantee of job/rights security that applied when the UK was part of the UK...

    Plus plenty of costs involved in securing health cover and application costs regarding everything from the ability to be able to drive in the UK to getting permission to rent/buy housing...

    Hardly just a case of 'filling in some forms' is it :rolleyes:

    Of course the same applies to UK nationals who wish to live/work/study in the more civilised EU countries!

    Of course you are free to dispute these facts if you wish :)
     
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    "Bloke next door to me gave up site painting because of the Europeans - firms wanted him to work for the same rate - £80 for an 8-6 day".
    I posted that over two years ago. https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/border-on-the-island-of-ireland.526121/page-2#post-4412124
    I understand now with a lot of the cheap Labour having gone back home, site rates have gone up a fair bit!
     
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  5. SirGalahad

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    Free Market- you can't champion the free market and then say it undercuts prices and wages. So either the free market mantra and liberalism which you so espouse is wrong or that you are being hypocritcal in saying it undercuts wages.
     
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    It’s not exactly a free market in the fair sense of the word is it - would you be happy to live like those from the EU have to to enable them to survive and send money home on £80 a day because of the conditions they leave at home? I mean, could they come over here, pay a fair rent for a half decent home, feed and clothe a family plus a few extras? No, mostly it’s single men living in HMO's often at the expense of family breadwinners over here. I’m sure you could undercut them if you lived in a shop doorway and had no expenses but that’s not the spirit of a free market is it?
     
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  7. SirGalahad

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    Why are you adding morals and a sense of fair play? Where does laissez faire economics and free market economics so espoused by yourselves mention this? There is no judgement of fair in free market economics.

    It's hypocritical and you know it.

    "Instead, government should create the right framework of sound money, low taxes, light regulation and flexible markets (including labour markets) to allow prosperity and employment to grow"
     
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    Actually yes, that is exactly and 100% the spirit of a free market.
     
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    Nobody's seen the small print yet, trust me, it wont be bad. The EU are becoming a laughing stock as far as trade deals are concerned, they still can't ratify a deal with Australia because of concerns over 'human rights', we can understand that with China, but **** me, Australia?
    Did you know their trade deal with Canada almost collapsed because they were trying to dictate how long prison sentences for Canadians in Canada should be, WTF has that got to do with trade and what business of theirs is it anyway?
     
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    I'm in agreement that the EU are slow cumbersome and seem to want to demand far more than just a trade deal of goods. They seem to want to try and take over the country at the same time by being silent rulers, really it's just a smarter way of trying to take over the world than Hitler managed, or it's just a politer version of imperialism... Which is ironic as the liberals love to despise of such imperialism..

    But, I do think we may have been a bit desperate and perhaps offered more on the table to get it done quickly. But we'll see in time as you say when the small print gets published.
     
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    Where did you read that?
     
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    And where did you read that?


    THE proposed free trade agreement between the EU and Australia may be delayed over "challenging" sustainability demands.
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...ayed-environment-clause-Brexit-deal-latest-vn



    Australia has no national long-term vision on sustainable development. Australia is one of the most carbon-intensive economies in the OECD, has no national long-term strategy for lowering emissions, and despite targets in place under the Paris agreement “emissions are projected to increase by 2030”
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/30/australias-record-on-emissions-and-sustainability-condemned-by-oecd-review#:~:text=Australia has no national long,projected to increase by 2030”.
    I think fillyboy has resorted to imagining the news according to fillyboy, rather than reading about reality.
     
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    Or maybe they think their values on sustainability, standards, regulation, etc are worth maintaining.
    But you place your own spin, based on your biased viewpoint.
     
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    There was a spat over European Rights Laws being written into the CETA deal with Canada. The EU are championing human rights and democracy clauses being written into trade deals.
    To be fair, that's maybe no bad thing when dealing with countries like China and Russia.

    In Canada, they have Indeterminate prison sentences for very serious offences, basically they throw away the key.
    In Australia, they have the Dangerous Prisoners (sexual offenders) Act 2003, when a dangerous sexual offender has served his sentence, he's not necessarily released.
    Both of these fall foul of European Human Rights laws.
     
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